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06-12-2017, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by pvalovich
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There is no logical, reasonable path to defend Waylon Boatright's actions. He built the plane, he had to have had enough aviation knowledge to at least be aware of operating limitations, passenger restraint requirements, CG limits, the increased dangers of night flight with no visible horizon, the regs about drinking and flying and other ops/safety subjects. We can't say with certainty the aviation understanding of the four folks he killed. Worst case - they innocently - even in an alcohol-impaired state - went along for the ride with no clue about what they were getting into.
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It is symptomatic of the times that the standing request on this board to be respectful of the survivors of pilots killed in plane crashes is equated to defending a person's decision to fly drunk.
Pitchforks are the order of the day in 2017 but Doug's admonishment of years past is still an ideal we can and should be embracing.
This original post has a faint whiff of "serves 'em right" to it.
Like I said, there was a good reason why we didn't **** all over Dan Lloyd and his family on VAF after his death.
We didn't do it for our friend, Tony, after he unwisely engaged in aerobatics without proper training, ultimately leading to his death.
In both cases, and far too many more, we're able to hold more respectful analysis of their crashes because we're the ones who lost a friend.
We should have the same standard for this person and his family. It's common decency.
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06-12-2017, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by LettersFromFlyoverCountry
I'm just struck by the tone of THIS crash and the condemnation of the pilot vs. the thread here when Dan Lloyd's probable cause was released.
I'm guessing it's because we knew Dan Lloyd.
http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...ight=dan+lloyd
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How can we access the Dan Lloyd report? Link is broken. Not the VAF thread but NTSB report.
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06-13-2017, 07:23 AM
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06-13-2017, 10:34 PM
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Dumbfounded
Reading the NTSB report on Lloyd is unbelievable.
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06-13-2017, 11:15 PM
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From what I recall, Mr. boatwright wasn't even a certificated pilot. So basically, he committed a heinous crime and unfortunately it was in a conveyance we share an infinity for. He was an adult and his actions were purely his. Facts are facts and it's something the surviving family has to deal with...both good and bad. Imagine what Jeffrie Dahmers parents had to go through. 
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06-14-2017, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by LettersFromFlyoverCountry
We should have the same standard for this person and his family. It's common decency.
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Had he survived, he would facing trial for manslaughter.
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06-14-2017, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Blain
Reading the NTSB report on Lloyd is unbelievable.
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Yeah, I was thinking the same, reading it and just shaking my head. Lloyd's accident might not be on the same "holy cr@p!" level as the Boatright crash, but still... yikes. At least Lloyd didn't take 4(!) victims with him.
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06-14-2017, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by jbDC9
Yeah, I was thinking the same, reading it and just shaking my head. Lloyd's accident might not be on the same "holy cr@p!" level as the Boatright crash, but still... yikes. At least Lloyd didn't take 4(!) victims with him.
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BoatWright crash, not Boatright. ;-)
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06-14-2017, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Kyle Boatright
BoatWright crash, not Boatright. ;-)
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Oh, thank you... I've been thinking all along that it was a relation, but didn't want to mention it because nobody else had. I guess there was good reason, there's no relation! 
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06-14-2017, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by jbDC9
Yeah, I was thinking the same, reading it and just shaking my head. Lloyd's accident might not be on the same "holy cr@p!" level as the Boatright crash, but still... yikes. At least Lloyd didn't take 4(!) victims with him.
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He easily could have. He was going to fly his family up to New England THAT AFTERNOON (!), as I recall.
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