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Old 01-19-2020, 08:07 AM
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Personally I can't imagine why anyone would go thru all the trouble to convert an auto filter when the total saving is probably less than $10
Champion $28.50 plus shipping
Tempest $23.50 plus shipping
WIX 51515 $8.09 at my local O’Reilly or Napa or Advance Auto or ......

My engine has been using the WIX 51515 for over 450 hours and no safety wire. It also doesn’t use a nipple so it changes just as easy as any aviation filter.
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Old 01-19-2020, 08:23 AM
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I found this thread to be quite interesting. From a informational and human interest point. While I do not care to do the Science, I enjoy reading about the Science. I then apply that Science to benefit me as I deem fit.
The part of the thread where safety clashes with cost (2018) , always a good debate to have, fails to include a valuable part.
We have to remember that many in this group are Scientists doing research work. They do it to discover, to share. Saving a dollar is always fun, but I don’t think the driving force.
E mags would be another example. A lot of damaged cylinders, soiled underwear, and maybe worse working that science. And yet it continues.

To all of you....Experimentalogist...I salute you.

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Old 01-19-2020, 12:52 PM
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Safety wiring oil filters is one of aviation's greatest mysteries to me.

One other, is safety wiring NPT thread plugs.

In either case, if they're appropriately torqued they will never spin off.

There's no provisions for safety wire on the Rotax 912 oil filter.

So why bother?
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I can tell you from experience, nothing gets loose faster than an oil filter that has not been safety. I got distracted and forgot to safety wire. by the time I was on crosswind, oil was coming through the floor and vents. By the time I made a kamikaze landing, I had perhaps two QTS left in the sump. I wiped oil in the cockpit for the next few months after each flight.
It's interesting to note that Robinson Helicopter does not require the safety wiring of the Lycoming engine oil filter per their Service Letter shown below:

https://robinsonheli.com/wp-content/...2/r44_sl45.pdf
SUBJECT: Deleted Safety Wire
"BACKGROUND: Safety wire and safety wire provisions have been deleted from various installations and parts. Deleting safety wire reduces maintenance cost and decreases the potential for safety wire-related FOD. This letter provides guidance for installing parts with or without safety wire provisions."

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"• Lycoming engines: Oil filters and D723-1 adapter assemblies with or without safety wire provisions do not require safety wire. Installation instructions are on the oil filter."
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Old 01-19-2020, 01:21 PM
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It's interesting to note that Robinson Helicopter does not require the safety wiring of the Lycoming engine oil filter per their Service Letter shown below:

https://robinsonheli.com/wp-content/...2/r44_sl45.pdf
SUBJECT: Deleted Safety Wire
"BACKGROUND: Safety wire and safety wire provisions have been deleted from various installations and parts. Deleting safety wire reduces maintenance cost and decreases the potential for safety wire-related FOD. This letter provides guidance for installing parts with or without safety wire provisions."

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"• Lycoming engines: Oil filters and D723-1 adapter assemblies with or without safety wire provisions do not require safety wire. Installation instructions are on the oil filter."
I used to own an R-22 Mariner and if that vibration doesn't loosen an oil filter then my smooth RV-8 never will
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Old 01-19-2020, 02:49 PM
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There is now Wix 51515XP same size better filter material.
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Old 01-19-2020, 06:41 PM
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If you call K&P engineering and tell them that you want a filter for an experimental aircraft, they will sell you one. If you want to order one online, then go to http://usaoilfilters.com and buy these components:
Housing: C4, if you want the 1" nut and safety wire holes, C3 if you just want a standard housing.

Filter: FE-15 (3/4-16 female thread)

Spring: RS1 (this is the retaining spring that goes in the housing, and then the filter)

Quad Ring: QR2 (this is the reusable, replaceable o-ring)

It's not inexpensive, but flows very well and maintains consistent filtering throughout the entire oil change cycle. I have several of these, on each of my vehicle and aircraft engines. Very high quality.
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Old 01-20-2020, 08:54 PM
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Or just purchase this.... https://usaoilfilters.com/product/s15/ and save $21.00 and it includes the cup wrench.
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Another thread on the permanent oil filter is here:

http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...d.php?t=171973

If you use the Tempest 48108-2 filters you need the C4 filter housing and the S15 filter

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Old 01-22-2020, 08:45 AM
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Or just purchase this.... https://usaoilfilters.com/product/s15/ and save $21.00 and it includes the cup wrench.
True, but doesn't include the really cool 1" nut and safety wire holes in a top flange...
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Engines "oil filter" in the day came with a metal screen...
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