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Old 06-23-2014, 03:44 PM
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I had a similar situation come up several years ago. A gentleman bought an RV and wanted me to do a condition inspection. I didn't have time, so I referred him to Darrell over in Mineral Wells. Darrell sent me a ton of pictures of discrepancies including telephone wire run through garden hose, never installed rivets, figure 8 holes on the main wing spar attach, and things you would not believe. It took him over a year to get the airplane to "a condition for safe operation".
I started to say "back in a condition for safe operation", but it apparently was never there to begin with.
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Old 06-23-2014, 05:27 PM
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Folks, please be careful. There was a fatal E-AB (non-RV) accident at LVK this weekend due to an in-flight fire immediately after takeoff.
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Old 06-23-2014, 05:42 PM
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So this guy has built14 airplanes. I've seen this "this is the way we've always done it" attitude at certified shops. Unfortuneatly that way was wrong. There are plenty of reference material for the correct way of doing things. Use it.
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Old 06-23-2014, 06:28 PM
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There is a common myth that build quality is better from a builder who has done it before. Some of the worst examples I have seen came from "experienced" builders. But I have never seen one quite this bad.
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Old 06-23-2014, 10:35 PM
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I am wondering who was the D.A.R. on the plane?
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Old 06-23-2014, 10:59 PM
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I am wondering who was the D.A.R. on the plane?
I know of more than on IA s that pencil whip annuals I wouldn't be surprised that there are DARs that do the same.
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Old 06-24-2014, 04:45 AM
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I am wondering who was the D.A.R. on the plane?
My plane was inspected by the local FSDO and there was no inspection. All he did was walk around the plane once, made sure the paperwork was in order, and then left. It took maybe 20 minutes. The FSDO made it very clear thay their job was not to make sure the plane was airworthy or safe, that was up to the builder, they told me. That said, our EAA chapter was all over the plane before I moved it to the airport and again before the first flight.
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Old 06-24-2014, 07:41 AM
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While it is the duty of the DAR to only make sure that the aircraft meets regulations, He/she may also deny airworthiness certificate issuance for anything he/she feels is unsafe.

I think most DARs go that extra mile to give the aircraft a thorough inspection, informing the applicant of questionable practices.
I know that I will not sign off on anything I'm not comfortable with, and I think my clients appreciate that.
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Old 06-24-2014, 08:34 AM
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While it is the duty of the DAR to only make sure that the aircraft meets regulations, He/she may also deny airworthiness certificate issuance for anything he/she feels is unsafe.

I think most DARs go that extra mile to give the aircraft a thorough inspection, informing the applicant of questionable practices.
I know that I will not sign off on anything I'm not comfortable with, and I think my clients appreciate that.
That explains a lot in my mind. I have had a very difficult time finding an already-flying plane to buy. Some of that is the fact that you simply can't go see every plane you think you might be interested in. But of the ones I have seen, it has been eye opening just how poorly the planes have been built (and how cavalier the buiders have been about issues I've had questions about).

I was under the impression that airworthiness was what was being signed off when it got it's DAR inspection. So now, at least I know how planes like this can be flying and why I have seen so many planes that fell far short of what I expected based on the seller's representation.

As an aside, the advertisements I read are almost always a cause for some head shaking. Not a single plane I have actually gone to look at lived up to the claims of the seller. And the biggest offenders by far are people that claim to be "multi-plane builders."

I think this thread will be the turning point in my plane search. I feels like a futile undertaking to try to find a well-built RV to buy. Thanks for the education. Andy
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Old 06-24-2014, 09:13 AM
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I think this thread will be the turning point in my plane search. I feels like a futile undertaking to try to find a well-built RV to buy. Thanks for the education. Andy
I don't think it is futile. Yes there are some that are not built to quality standards, but from looking at most builders projects that I have seen, I think the majority of builders do try to build the best plane they can.

A quality pre-buy is extra important on an experimental.
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