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Old 11-02-2017, 09:34 AM
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I've been pleased with the workmanship and quality on my RV-10 QB wings and fuselage. Yes, there were a couple of places where rivets had been installed prematurely that I had to drill out, but overall my experience has been very good. I'm very happy I went with the QB and based on my experience would recommend it to others.
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Old 11-02-2017, 10:19 AM
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Of course serious errors in a quick build structure are not acceptable. Most of the errors that have been discussed in this thread are things that can be worked around without a lot of time or effort. If you want a polished perfect aircraft, build it all yourself, and allow for years of added time.
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Thanks for chiming in Tom. I'm interested in what you consider serious errors in quickbuild structure? I'm most concerned about holes that have been dimpled without having been match drilled first since the match drilling of those particular holes doesn't occur until the tailcone is mated to the fuse. As Jesse pointed out, dimpling undersized holes may lead to cracking in the future.
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Old 11-02-2017, 10:48 AM
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FWIW, I have Q/B wings that have had fuel in them for four years and 380 ish hours and have never leaked.
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Old 11-02-2017, 11:47 AM
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I don't mind a few cosmetic blemishes as I plan to paint. But I can't tolerate poorly formed dimples, holes in the wrong places or dimples with cracks.
I may have missed it but I don't recall a mention of any of those things in this thread.

Van's has always been up front with customers inquiring about the quick build kits... that they are production line quality, not custom built, and that if a customer is striving to build a Lindy or grand champion winner it may not be the best choice.
It will provide you with major assemblies that will save you a lot of build time and be constructed to a higher quality than probably 90+% of first time builders are capable of doing.
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Old 11-02-2017, 02:00 PM
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I'm building an RV-3b standard build (I lay-out, drill and dimple everything myself) and a friend is building a QB -10 nearby. So I've had a chance to compare the quality.

The QB is very good. I can do as well but I have to be on my game to do it. Overall, his QB stuff is better.

The big difference was that his came with so many parts built. I spent some time on the ailerons. His were faster: he saw them on the inventory and checked them off. Ah, man....

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Old 11-02-2017, 02:34 PM
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I may have missed it but I don't recall a mention of any of those things in this thread.

Van's has always been up front with customers inquiring about the quick build kits... that they are production line quality, not custom built, and that if a customer is striving to build a Lindy or grand champion winner it may not be the best choice.
It will provide you with major assemblies that will save you a lot of build time and be constructed to a higher quality than probably 90+% of first time builders are capable of doing.
Scott, what do you think of holes that are dimpled before they are match drilled? Any change of problems with those holes later? If so, is it potentially a safety issue or big fix later on down the road? I'm not striving for awards but I am striving for a safe, well built aircraft.

I'm not sure why some steps seem to be missed over and over. The angles at the baggage door that attach to the undersurface of the upper longeron need to be trimmed prior to riveting them. It is trivial to do that before they are in place but a PITA once they are attached and yet it seems like that simple step is missed consistently. I just want the build to follow the plans; nothing more, nothing less.
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Old 11-02-2017, 02:34 PM
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My QB RV7 did not have any issues and really great quality. I am hoping my 14A will have the same quality and if so, I will be very happy.
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Old 11-02-2017, 03:13 PM
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You want the build to follow plans? Have you read ahead any? As you progress in the build, the plans assume that you have learned something along the way and tend to be more of a guide than "put tab A into slot B".

Although I found some discrepancies in the QB, I am glad I did it and wouldn't hesitate to do it again.

Just an FYI, the most annoying issue I found in the QB kit was with the vertical part of the door opening in the fuselage. The QB kit came with AN470 rivets installed in 14 locations, seven on each side. These locations were supposed to be AN426 FLUSH rivets. You might think, "Aw, no big deal"...right up until you are fitting the Cabin top, then those button heads really cause an issue. It was an easy fix; drill them out and install the correct rivets. Did not take much time and all were accessible for riveting. It took a tiny amount of frustration out of fitting the top, so there is that...
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Old 11-02-2017, 03:24 PM
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Our 7 QB was Czech built - one of the last and we found no mistakes.

Our 8 was Philippines built and we found a half dozen mistakes - sub assemblies progressed too far, wrong nutplates etc etc.

There have been a few threads about this over the years and as others have said - expect a good standard but maybe not absolute perfection.

Read, read and re read the procedure and check the assembly before proceeding, then you will pick up anomalies without a problem. Most of the issues we had on the 8 were so minor, they took moments to deal with and move on. Ultimately, the QB kit saved a huge amount of time and effort.
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Old 11-02-2017, 03:46 PM
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You want the build to follow plans? Have you read ahead any? As you progress in the build, the plans assume that you have learned something along the way and tend to be more of a guide than "put tab A into slot B".
There is nothing ambiguous about "Don't drill or dimple these holes until section 32". They do that for a reason. That is one of the things that I've "learned along the way".
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