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Old 11-04-2017, 04:15 PM
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I will buy the plans that's not the issue but if they won't respond to my general inquiry what chance have I got with a list of part numbers? I wanted to get an idea, a ball park figure on the main parts before I considered whether the conversion is warranted from a price stand point.
Anyway I've all but given up on the idea, a Cessna sounds good!
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Old 11-04-2017, 11:42 PM
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I'd say it may mean that Van's are not so hot on the idea.
That said, here are some numbers to put you into the ballpark and put you out of your suffering. The number of question marks beside the item indicate the amount of uncertainty associated with the pricing. No question mark indicates I have the invoice in front of me.
WD-408PC tail spring mount: US$50
FSTS735-1 Tailspring full swivl US$94.50
JD air parts complete tail wheel assembly US$599
WD-762 Engine mount US$1150 (uncoated)
Gear legs $1500??? (You could call Harmon Lange to get pricing on these if you really are this keen on this self punishment)
RV bits Intersection fairings: US$180
Tail wheel chains, nuts, bolts, new brake lines, incidentals for under the cowl, gear leg fairings and other incidentals US$1000??
Shipping will be somewhere around the $1500 mark.
You will then have the costs of repainting the aft fuselage after the installation of the WD-409, the reprinting of the mid fuselage where the gear legs are removed, as well as the cowl and gear leg fairings, and of course the time involved with the actual install and subsequent re weight. There will no doubt be impacts on your C of A and possible re certification costs/hours to fly off. All these hardware costs will be nothing compared to the labor costs if you are paying anyone to assist with the conversion. Not for the light hearted. Conversely I just found airline tickets with United from SYD to LAX for $706 return, which is the cheapest I have seen them in more than a decade of traveling back and forth to the States. You can go and buy that RV-8 you really wanted, and take a holiday at the same time. Seems like an easy choice from my perspective.
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Old 11-05-2017, 06:39 AM
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Converted 7A to 7 two years ago. Ditto on what was said above. Engine moves forward 3/4 so cowl mods were the most time consuming single task. Had it sitting on conventional gear in 5 days, 3 experienced guys working long days. Flying again was much longer.
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Old 11-05-2017, 08:55 AM
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I will buy the plans that's not the issue but if they won't respond to my general inquiry what chance have I got with a list of part numbers? I wanted to get an idea, a ball park figure on the main parts before I considered whether the conversion is warranted from a price stand point.
Anyway I've all but given up on the idea, a Cessna sounds good!
A Cessna!

If you're going to fly in your retirement Adrian, pick up or build a Vans Airplane. You will not regret it.
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Old 11-05-2017, 04:39 PM
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Thanks Guys (Tom especially). Not to sure why Vans would be concerned, they are in business to make money & like others have said it's been before, no doubt many a time.
With our poor exchange rate & the associated hassles of importing that idea simply isn't worth it to me. A decent 8 could cost around $150K once it's all done, just too cost prohibitive.
The work side of a 7 conversion isn't of concern as I've done A/C engineering before in another life as well as have a few LAME friends etc.it was more the cost which thanks to Tom I gathered those numbers might be ball park.

So its been a fact gathering exercise thus far & I will revisit the whole concept now I am more informed.

Again tnxs to all who assisted here.
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Old 11-05-2017, 11:23 PM
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Anyone?? Still looking to find out of someone knows someone at Vans who will return my inquiries.
FWIW, Van's was never happy with my TW conversion process.
You'd do better getting the parts list to build your order.
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Ok Dan, I don't understand their reason behind that or not bothering to respond even if they said go away! Odd business practice!
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Old 11-06-2017, 07:10 AM
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i may be wrong, but here is my take. Vans sells kits and offer some limited hand holding. To see the cost and effort required to convert, a set of plans would be the start which may require an expenditure of money. If there isn't a desire to dive into a set of plans to determine what's different, then maybe one can conclude, as Vans may have, that the desire to see the project through is just not there, and thus their time may be better served taking orders from the folks who have already done their homework, maybe. I bet they get a ton of gee wiz questions. In this case, in 5days you decided to go in a different direction with a Cessna. I guess Vans was spot on.

Nevertheless, the kind folks here on VAF have and will probably continue to offer their opinions. If I were to guess, budget $2000 to $3000 as a start depending on whether you will do the work and purchase some items used. Purchase the stuff new and have someone do the work for you, budget $5000 - $7000, depending on your local employment rate. If you want to least hassle, just buy one already configured.

Good luck on your endeavors. You can't go wrong with a Vans product.



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Old 11-06-2017, 07:21 AM
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Ok Dan, I don't understand their reason behind that or not bothering to respond even if they said go away! Odd business practice!
Don't know why they aren't responding....but getting back to issue of having satisfactory airplane to fly, have your priced the RV-8 kit shipped to your home?

A basic VFR 8 can be built for a lot less than $150 grand. The kit is matched drilled and goes together quickly and easily. I build mine, not quick built, in about 14 months. Worked about 8 hours a day like full time job. Had to have some help riveting but did most of it myself.

Yes, it can cost $150 but over half that is in fancy glass, avionics, paint, 200Hp engine and CS prop. None of it needed for fun flying RV-8.

If side by side is issue, same can be said for the 7.

Just my 2 cents worth....
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Old 11-06-2017, 08:27 AM
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I didn't experience any issue with Van's when ordering or asking questions about the change from 7A to 7. I discussed the change at their booth in OSH. Had good feed back, do it on at 7A and not a 6A as the parts would require more matching on a 6. I did my homework and went through the prints to see what would change and created my shopping list. While ordering they helped with some minor details on what to order. I worked with experienced builders who were knowledgeable about 7's but had not done this conversion before.

As far as cost, I don't remember. I sold many of the removed items and that helps defray costs. It was worth it in my mind.

IIRC - Van's demo 7 is a conversion.
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