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ADSB Anonymous Mode?

Debating a switch/removal option is fun, but the current reg poses a very real and serious operational problem.

With the old Mode C regs, if you have a failed transponder it's perfectly legal to operate the a/c without it as long as you're clear of 'alphabet airspace'. But if I'm reading the ADSB reg correctly, if the installed ADSB-out quits, you're grounded. I'd blame it on the devious Airline Lobby, but "Never assume a conspiracy when incompetence will do."

Regardless, it is absolute insanity, and needs to be addressed.
 
Wow. This thread keeps going. Kind of interesting though.

Turning off my xponder is not an option (for me). I'm based at a towered airport; Class C airspace withing the veil of a Class B airport. Further, I'm not willing to give up the amount of airspace I'm currently free to fly in.

To be clear; I welcome the ability for all of us to see each other as blips on an in-cockpit screen, and for ATC to see us as blips on their screens. For me this makes simple sense in the name of situational awareness and safety. And I'm happy to pay a reasonable amount of money to outfit my aircraft as such.

However, it is NOT necessary for my identity to be included in any of this to meet the goals of situational awareness and safety. And this is where I draw the line. I consider it our duty to push back whenever the (this is supposed to be "our") government expands its scope.
 
Turning off my xponder is not an option (for me). I'm based at a towered airport; Class C airspace withing the veil of a Class B airport. Further, I'm not willing to give up the amount of airspace I'm currently free to fly in.
Larry, if you're based at a towered airport you're probably going to be given a discrete code on departure anyway, right? So how will you ever be anonymous? Even if you switch to 1200 once you're clear of the zone, the track for code XXXX will line up perfectly with the code for a 1200 aircraft that appeared out of nowhere and departed the area.
 
Solved for uAvionix Skybeacon TSO

I'm partially happy with the result.

The oddity is I am able to get my transponder replying to ATC just outside my current hangar on the ground. This skewed my test today. I wrote the below, then did a final restart of the UAT WITHOUT the transponder on. It would not enter Anonymous mode until it had the transponder on and replying and showing the 1200 squawk on the uAvionix app monitor page.

Original update begins below, but I realized this all worked due to being in ATC radar contact and giving transponder replies on the ground.

The kludge is remembering to reset your configuration to transmit disabled after a flight, so it is ready for the next flight. Since this requires a power reset on the TSO'd version to re-enable the wifi, you do it post flight. You may leak your ICAO number and N# if you do not have a WAAS position when doing this until transmit is disabled, even leaving anonymous mode on.

Next flight, do not engage transmit enabled until AFTER you have a solid WAAS position on the uAvionix app monitor page. If you then enable transmit on the configure page, not one registered ICAO number or flight ID/N# transmits.

You can fly squawking 1200/Anonymous, get a discreet/non-1200 squawk, I used 1202 in testing- and the Skybeacon automatically reinserts your registered ICAO number and N#/Flight ID. As it must, per specs. When you exit control and squawk 1200 again I see instant return to the previous self-assigned ICAO code and "VFR" flight ID. I do not see how you would be followed save for inability to time travel or position shift.

I also broke the gps fix on the ground, in Anonymous mode with a 1200 Squawk, the self assigned code and N# replaced by VFR both stayed the only transmitted.

Below is the result if you start the UAT in Transmit Disabled configuration, until you have a valid WAAS location, then enable transmit- IF your transponder is replying 1200 to ATC.

The TSO'd version locks out the wifi after 5 minutes, the EAB version does not. IF you want to go from Anonymous to broadcast real info, you'd have to squawk non-1200 or recycle UAT power and then select Anonymous mode off.

If your monitor looks like this you are truly anonymous. Note the 1200 squawk active. This will not happen anonymously on the ground if your transponder is not replying actively.

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This is the instant you enable transmit in the configure page of the app.

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This is toggling squawk 1200 to 1202 then back to 1200. Anonymous, actual, then again anonymous.

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Wow. That sure makes the UAvionix units seem to be a lot more fuss to switch between normal and anonymous mode compared to other UAT solutions with a hardwired selector switch option (i.e. GDL-82, Freeflight Rangr, GDL-88 etc).
 
Switching is easy. If you are mild on being anonymous on the ground, just leave transmit enabled and Anonymous on. No need to ever touch a switch. In flight, no one sees your N# or your registered ICAO number on either their ADSB-IN or a full up 978mhz sniffer.

If you put in a non 1200 squawk, per the design reqs, you show up as your N# and registered ICAO address number.

Go back to 1200, right back to anonymous.

On the ground, not automatically anonymous unless your 1200 Squawk is transmitted as replies.
 
Heard back from uAvionics.

Your transponder MUST be transmitting 1200 code replies, seen by the Beacon product line to enter Anonymous mode.

Not just having selected the ON/transmit position of your transponder control, but actually replying to ATC interrogations. There is a 60 second timeout that explains some of the results.
 
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You can fly squawking 1200/Anonymous, get a discreet/non-1200 squawk, I used 1202 in testing- and the Skybeacon automatically reinserts your registered ICAO number and N#/Flight ID. As it must, per specs. When you exit control and squawk 1200 again I see instant return to the previous self-assigned ICAO code and "VFR" flight ID. I do not see how you would be followed save for inability to time travel or position shift.
That's exactly how you'll be followed. If the system ever broadcasts your ident on a flight, the entire track for that flight will be compromised.
 
Well guessing is always easy, AFTER the rest of the information is released. :rolleyes:
 
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Well guessing is always easy, AFTER the rest of the information is released. :rolleyes:

Don't kid yourself; investors use that kind of intelligence gathering all the time, and use it to 'guess'. I witnessed it first hand in the early '90s, long before ADSB, when my stockbroker friend had me buying options on a tech company in my home town who's corp jet was visiting Bell Labs regularly at the time. It actually worked well enough for me to buy my 1st RV-4. (And then it didn't...)
 
M&A

I've been on both sides of the M and the A, and I would not recommend investing based on corporate jet visits. Sometimes (more often than not) it does not work out, and even when it does, you have no idea if it will be a good investment.

That said, I still believe we should be able to remain anonymous in the system. :D
 
I've been on both sides of the M and the A, and I would not recommend investing based on corporate jet visits. Sometimes (more often than not) it does not work out, and even when it does, you have no idea if it will be a good investment.

That said, I still believe we should be able to remain anonymous in the system. :D

How well I know; see the end of my post.
 
Don't kid yourself; investors use that kind of intelligence gathering all the time, and use it to 'guess'. I witnessed it first hand in the early '90s, long before ADSB, when my stockbroker friend had me buying options on a tech company in my home town who's corp jet was visiting Bell Labs regularly at the time. It actually worked well enough for me to buy my 1st RV-4. (And then it didn't...)

Yup, investors "guess" all the time and that makes smart investors rich. But "even a blind squirrel can find a nut once in a while." :D
 
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Heard back from uAvionics.

Your transponder MUST be transmitting 1200 code replies, seen by the Beacon product line to enter Anonymous mode.

Not just having selected the ON/transmit position of your transponder control, but actually replying to ATC interrogations. There is a 60 second timeout that explains some of the results.

I talked to the uAvionics dude at the Great Alaska Aviation Gathering yesterday, and learned some interesting things:

1. Due to regulations they cannot transmit anonymous mode unless they can confirm the transponder is set to 1200. In the case of skybeacon, they have to wait until the transponder is being interrogated, and if they have GPS lock before then, it transmits your ICAO number.

2. He said that they have seen instances where people fired up on the ground, immediately went to anonymous mode, and still passed the ads-b check. This seems to infer that the FAA already has the algorithms to relate the anonymous and non-anonymous tracks.

3. He said the echouat product which is experimental only has the ability to read the transponder code from the serial interface for certain transponders. The GTX327 only spits out the transponder code, not the pressure altitude, so it would need to discover that from listening for the interrogation, or you can get it from the encoder, but then you need their MUX wiring harness to combine the transponder and encoder signals into one serial RX port.

4. He said that if the echouat is getting the transponder code from the serial port, then the box knows the transponder code before GPS acquire, and thus starts in anonymous mode.

5. He said the the echoUAT box didn't originally implement coasting because they viewed coasting and filtering something that should be done at the application level, not the ABS-b receiver, but they implemented an alternate firmware for the echoUAT that does have costing to take care of the folks that pulled out their navworx boxen which apparently did have coasting.

So, I already have a GTX-327, and I like the fact that the echo has ADS-b in built in with wifi as well as serial out to my EFIS, so that's the route I'll be going.

schu
 
I keep wondering why someone hasn't come along and made an all-in-one 978 ADS-B solution that combines the Mode C and ADS-B functions, so you don't have to have separate boxes.

But if there's a transponder that can talk directly to the ADS-B unit and start immediately in anonymous mode, that might be the way to go.
 
The "Beacon" series of uAvionix have a serious problem with anonymous mode. I would not trust that their devices are sending correct data.

I have documented an issue to their support team that given:

1) Valid Mode/A transponder activity is occurring.
2) An intermittently malfunctioning altitude encoder causes the transponder to intermittently cease sending valid mode C replies.
3) The beacon device is configured for anonymous mode.
4) The transponder code is set to "1200"

The firmware on the beacon series of devices will broadcast ADSB messages containing:
1) your actual ICAO address
2) address type of "TEMPORARY"
3) Flight ID of "VFR"
4) Mode 3/A code of "1200"
5) Pressure altitude of <expected pressure altitude>

The 1st three above are not correct or expected behaviors.

These broadcast messages were captured via the Garmin pilot app and my GDL50 device. The pilot app has the ability to "sniff" the raw parameter output of ADSB messages from a connected GDL50.

Beware that you are being discretely identified by this behavior.

Uavionix's tech support says:

"We are aware of the problem and the engineers are waiting for an FAA approval of anonymous mode handling. I don't have an immediate time frame for approval, but will keep you posted."
 
Thanks for the info and it's nice seeing more data than just mine and Dan H's.

The concept under current software explained to me was the Beacon line needs to see 1200 coming off your transponder to allow anonymous mode.

This is different than other brands, and you found yet another wrinkle. The good news is it sounds like the response is better than I received. ADS-B out coverage should honor anonymous with or without ATC radar coverage creating 1200 coded replies.
 
I can understand the rationale for needing a Mode 3/A reply from the transponder to enable anonymous mode.

The firmware appears to have a bug in that is does not clear your IACO address when exiting "standard" mode.

There is no explanation as to expected behavior for:

1) Anonymous mode enabled
2) Transponder set to Mode 3/A only (i.e. not mode c)

The UAT must transmit aircraft pressure altitude as part of its message. It needs a source of this. Where to obtain such a parameter?

And - what if the transponder altitude encoder fails?

It is my understanding The "beacon" series has both a self contained pressure altitude sensor and smart sniffing and averaging system that keeps its internal pressure altitude and what is received by sniffing the transponder replies in sync. But what if the pilot turns off mode c on his transponder? What is the expected behavior now? The device has a valid internal pressure altitude and nothing to sync to.

It looks like this situation when in a stable anonymous mode situation may trigger an entry into "partial anonymous mode" -- with a "VFR" flight ID (not your tail number), the "TEMPORARY" flag set for the address type and your actual IACO address sent, not a random number.

This all is not an easy problem to solve. But the current behavior (inputs and expected outputs) should be documented somewhere. It is now some kind of big secret.
 
May I ask, what?s the purpose? If hiding from the FAA, we all know, if they need to, they can and will track you down. Is it, while I?m flying VFR, I can?t see you on my traffic screen?

Adding the anonymous switch, seems like a waste of time and money, just something else, to make something else go wrong. Just saying...
 
Is it, while I?m flying VFR, I can?t see you on my traffic screen?

This type of question keeps coming up like the plague. That is not how it works. The fundamentals are missing. Even your question has you flying VFR looking for another target, which is irrelevant whether you are VFR or IFR. Anonymous Mode in no way "cloaks" the aircraft. It is still in the system and visible on everybody's screen. The only thing Anonymous Mode does is strip your personal information from the screen target (owner's name, address, historical information). It doesn't have anything to do with hiding from the FAA. It's an electronic dog tag that does not contribute to safe flight operations and it is an affront to people living in an alledged free society. Read more up on it seperately or in this same thread. I know it's a long thread but everything is here. Having Anonymous Mode is like driving a car on the highway. Not having Anonymous Mode is like driving a car on the highway with decals on it containing your name, address and phone number on all 4 sides. How would that help safety or other traffic avoiding each other on the highway? If you choose to not keep your personal information private then by all means leave out the Anonymous switch. Your call and no problem. In the air will see you and know everything about you and you can see me and only know I am a VFR target safely operating in the system while exercising my right to travel anonymously and free.
 
May I ask, what?s the purpose? If hiding from the FAA, we all know, if they need to, they can and will track you down. Is it, while I?m flying VFR, I can?t see you on my traffic screen?

Adding the anonymous switch, seems like a waste of time and money, just something else, to make something else go wrong. Just saying...

I think you understand, but don't want to admit it. Why does your profile not list your actual state name?

Just as a FYI, if you can afford something with a turbine, you already have the 'privilege' (right) of hiding your N number from the public. Why should I not have the same rights?
 
For the same reason you aren?t providing your social security number as part of your signature on these messages..

May I ask, what?s the purpose? If hiding from the FAA, we all know, if they need to, they can and will track you down. Is it, while I?m flying VFR, I can?t see you on my traffic screen?

Adding the anonymous switch, seems like a waste of time and money, just something else, to make something else go wrong. Just saying...
 
I think you understand, but don't want to admit it. Why does your profile not list your actual state name?

Just as a FYI, if you can afford something with a turbine, you already have the 'privilege' (right) of hiding your N number from the public. Why should I not have the same rights?

First, i would think anyone on this board would know the Keystone state is Pennsylvania or the Empire State, New York. So, who is hiding?

I would love not having my N number broadcasted, as many here agree. The FAA should make an Opt Out, as they do I for pilot certificates. While w are at it, lets go back to small N numbers across the board. Make it harder for air[port lurkers to see and run our N numbers in the FAA database and get our information. Either way in the air or on the ground we are vulnerable.
 
I assumed you did it for the same reason people post their email addresses with <at> instead of @, or mix text & numerals for their phone numbers; to make it harder for trolling bots to gather your personal info.
 
May I ask, what?s the purpose? If hiding from the FAA, we all know, if they need to, they can and will track you down. Is it, while I?m flying VFR, I can?t see you on my traffic screen?

Adding the anonymous switch, seems like a waste of time and money, just something else, to make something else go wrong. Just saying...


The issue is not hiding from the FAA. The issue is not hiding from other aviators. The issue is sites like flightaware and flightradar24 that track your every move and publish to the world.. and if you wish to opt out you must PAY them to opt out. I for one do not feel it is everyone's business to track every flight I take in minute detail. Do you want your pleasure boat tracked 24/7 and visible to everyone? How about your car?

ADSB Anonymous mode provides a reasonable layer of privacy for those recreational flyers that stay below 18,000 msl. I just want my hardware to work as advertised.
 
Skybeacon TSO Firmware 1.3.1 report

I see no difference in subject Anonymous mode.

After 1 minute of no ATC radar interrogation illuminating the Reply light, the Flight ID N# and ICAO number matching the registration reinsert. You are then NOT anonymous.

Edit to Add, clean PAPR result with Firmware 1.3.1 update.
 
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The Freeflight Rangr series and Garmin GDL 88 and 82 UAT units do provide true anonymous mode. Unlike the UAvionix offerings both of these require a hardwire selection switch. There may be a warm up period on them prior anonymous but I am not sure.

Jim
 
The Freeflight Rangr series and Garmin GDL 88 and 82 UAT units do provide true anonymous mode. Unlike the UAvionix offerings both of these require a hardwire selection switch. There may be a warm up period on them prior anonymous but I am not sure.

There is a start up period during which the GDL-82 broadcasts the real ICAO and N-number. Start around post 153.
 
I emailed freeflight and they said their unit broadcasts in the clear for 90 seconds! See post 99.
 
As far as I know, the only way to get true anonymous is to have a serial connection between the ads-b out box and the transponder so that the ads-b box can see the VFR squawk before it gets a GPS lock.

I wonder if someone with an echouat can confirm....
 
I have a tailbeacon (experimental)

I spoke with uAvionix tech support today and the 1.3.1 SkyBeacon firmware update should also be installed in TailBeacon devices.

The issue with anonymous mode leaks seems to boil down to the FAA insisting the UAT device initialize in "standard" mode and only switch to anonymous mode if the device sees a "1200" transponder reply, regardless of the device configuration parameters. This means that if your transponder is off -or- not being interrogated, the uAvionix devices will transmit in "standard" mode. The only way around this I can see is to install one of the "Echo" type devices and use a serial interface between the transponder and the Echo device to nail the squawk code continuously. The UPSAT SL-70 transponders have a very nice feature in that they send a message sequence with the selected squawk code embedded (in addition to a pressure altitude message) over a serial interface so no external interrogation is needed to trigger anonymous mode.

The Echo devices do support this SL-70 selected squawk message format - so a "hardwired" Echo device should have the propensity to "leak" much less.

I believe Garmin GTX transponders can also transmit a non-documented "garmin proprietary" message sequence over a serial interface that contains the selected squawk code (I am unsure on this issue).

I have also yet to experiment with turning off mode C on my transponder while in anonymous mode. My guess is the device will revert to standard mode.

More to follow.
 
Beacon line reverts to non-anonymity after exactly 60 seconds without reading a 1200 squawk.

Turning off mode C with an experimental version without an onboard baro encoder should cause a baro alt failure on a PAPR. Output Altitude would be geometric. If your Beacon has the onboard barometric encoder you would hopefully not see a PAPR baro-fail if you fly that way.

Edit to add, I read that the "experimental" version of Tailbeacon was like the "experimental" skybeacon and has no onboard barometric encoder.

IF you fly with Mode C off you might get contacted by the Feds for a baro fail.
 
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All the "beacon" type devices do have an onboard pressure altitude sensor. The devices have a algorithm that keeps the onboard pressure altitude sensor in sync with the transponder's altitude encoder. Apparently when the transponder's altitude encoder gets flakey or is inop, the device uses its internal pressure altitude sensor alone.

I'm thinking that if you turned off mode C on the transponder for a Beacon equipped aircraft (while in Class E airspace) it would likely be a non-event. Another way to look at this is how the Echo devices work. They need three external sensors to transmit valid position data - an external gps input, an external transponder code input, and an external pressure altitude input.

A single altitude encoder feeding both the transponder and the Echo device would the desirable thing here - no correspondence errors. So in this scenario, if the transponder were to be turned off, the Echo would still receive its pressure altitude input and all is well, save for receiving a squawk code.

if your altitude encoder is INOP or unchecked, my understanding is you may still (currently) fly your aircraft in Class G or E, & outside Class B, C or 30 mile B veils while your encoder gets repaired and use Mode A only. Or in the alternative you may currently fly with no transponder at all. Mode C is not required in those cases, nor is mode A for that matter. It is my understanding that ADSB-out airspace requirements track those currently in place for transponders.

Some interesting edge case situations these things bring up - must you have a working altitude encoder to fly at all after 1/1/2020? Must you have a working/checked transponder operating with mode C enabled if you have your UAT enabled? What if your transponder altitude encoder fails while on a trip? What if your transponder fails while on a trip?

Aside - IMO the term "baro altitude" can be confusing. I personally use the term "pressure altitude" to refer to the output of an altitude encoder & "baro altitude" to refer to the output of an EFIS or the like that has pressure altitude corrected using QNH.
 
uAvionics website documents don't mention the baro encoder on the pre-TSO experimental only Tailbeacon yet.

Current Tailbeacon manual Rev A does NOT mention an onboard encoder. I hope it's there, your description matches what is on the TSO'd version of the wingtip Skybeacon.

"UAV-1002810-001 Rev A" - tailbeacon

https://uavionix.com/products/tailbeacon/

Versus UAV-1001421-001 Rev E for the wingtip Skybeacon.

The "baro-alt" in my post is the block you would fail on a PAPR if no encoded altitude came from your ADS-B out.

I only reiterate this as I had the Experimental Skybeacon first before the TSO'd version and the PAPRs read pretty much the same. The TSO'd Tailbeacon in the future will have an on board encoder.
 
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Ok - so I stopped by the uAvionix booth at AirVenture and spoke at length with the software engineer responsible for both the tailbeacon and skybeacon devices.

1) Both devices had issues with anonymous mode. There is a soon to be released software update (beyond the current update) that should cure most of the issues seen here.

2) Neither device cares about your mode C altitude as it relates to anonymous mode. So that was a red herring on my part. Anonymous mode should work with Mode/A only. But I was advised that is not a "legal" configuration for ADSB. Legal exactly "where" I need to find out. Not even in Class G airspace outside a mode C veil?

3) These devices need a GPS lock to generate the random IACO code for anonymous mode to work. The entropy for generating the code comes from your GPS position. No position, no entropy, no random code. What to use then ? Guess what...

4) The new firmware waits a for a much longer time to gather a valid GPS position before it sticks your programmed actual IACO code in the register as a timeout default. That was the main problem in all of this.
 
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