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Old 07-10-2018, 10:22 AM
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How much air to feed an oil cooler. There are many comments on OT control and 13 row oil coolers. I returned my standard issue 7 row to Van and will purchase AFS 10 Row for my parallel 0360. A 10 row face area is only a 2 3/4"D supply from the plenum. A 13Row face area only equals a 3"D supply.
OK, there may be some loss in turns and friction and there is a lot of reference to 4" tubing. If you tapped the plenum with nice curved entry and supplied the cooler with a "Dave Anders" 10* divergence, how do you decide how big the hole should be in the plenum ?? Dan has talked a lot about pressure differential etc. , any suggestions would be appreciated and hopefully put a pencil to the subjective approaches referenced in the archives.
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Old 07-10-2018, 12:48 PM
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I just Google'd "air flow through oil cooler" and was astounded by the number of technical papers out there on the subject.
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Old 07-10-2018, 01:57 PM
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Hi Larry, I'm sure Dan will be along shortly with enough science to satisfy your need but I will give you my recent experience with the oil cooler inlet. I have a 15 row cooler mounted on the firewall fed by a 4" opening in the baffles. I have found that I can "neck" the flow down to 3" without any performance degradation in flight.

Here is the new cooler fed by a 4" opening that has been reduced to 3.5" with a 3D printed insert.



Here is the same 4" opening that has been reduced down to 3" with another 3D printed insert.



So far I have seen no difference in temps for any in-flight phase. However, I did see my temps at idle go up. What I can't tell you with certainty is whether or not a 3.5 or 4" opening would have done any better at idle.
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Old 07-10-2018, 03:00 PM
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How much air to feed an oil cooler.
As much as required. Seriously...consult the data sheets. Heat transfer capacity rises with mass flow.

The SW charts tell you how much mass flow you get for a given pressure drop, but those numbers are measured at the faces of the cooler. Additional restriction due to a too-small duct would mean you could not rely on the deltaP between the plenum and the lower cowl volume.

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There are many comments on OT control and 13 row oil coolers. I returned my standard issue 7 row to Van and will purchase AFS 10 Row for my parallel 0360. A 10 row face area is only a 2 3/4"D supply from the plenum. A 13Row face area only equals a 3"D supply.
First, if I got one of my many wishes, folks would stop describing heat exchangers by number of rows, and start using manufacturer and model. Rows tell us nothing, even from the same manufacturer. Offhand example; an SW-type 8432 and a 10599 are the same size, but are not the same capacity.

Area; might want to recehck your math. The 8432 and 10599 are roughly 4" x 6" face area, or 24 sq inches; I think they are 10 row, but I don't know for sure. A 4" diameter tube has an area of 12.56 sq inches.

(hint...the numbers you posted as diameter were radius. The tube diameters would be twice as large to equal the exchanger face areas you mentioned)
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Old 07-10-2018, 03:38 PM
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Default Thanks Dan, will check my math

Anyway, I just talked to air flow Performance and they said experience suggests use a 4" supply to assure there is more than enough. Logically. the cooler performance potential is determined by the static pressure on the face, so if you can get a 4" hole in the plenum, why not ? Thanks to all for your comments.
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Old 07-10-2018, 05:44 PM
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First, if I got one of my many wishes, folks would quite describing heat exchangers by number of rows, and start using manufacturer and model. Rows tell us nothing, even from the same manufacturer. Offhand example; an SW-type 8432 and a 10599 are the same size, but are not the same capacity.
Absolutely. And manufacturers should advertise their coolers by stating heat rejection at temperature differential and mass flow! A simple set of curves could be generated to assist in sizing. Why not give us the data like heat transfer coefficients to make selection simpler?
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Old 07-10-2018, 06:16 PM
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No matter the size, you can bet that those adapters Darin printed helped flow into the SCAT tubing a bit. They look a lot like a properly designed intake runner, inside a plenum. Almost makes one wonder whether the reduced turbulence into the SCAT made up for the smaller passage.
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Old 07-10-2018, 07:14 PM
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It is a common myth that the smallest restriction somehow sets the flow rate for the whole system. The transition shapes are probably much more important than some minimum section area, particularly in short ducts like these oil cooler ones. The restrictions shown in one of the posts might make the system equivalent to a much smaller, but well transitioned, hose. The transition back to the full rectangular face of the cooler is perhaps more important than the inlet transition.
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Old 07-10-2018, 09:21 PM
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Transitions are brutally important in flow systems. A basic rule of thumb for ducts carrying gases at near atmospheric pressure is never go more than a 30° included angle on an expansion in a duct (15° per side), and never more than 45° (22.5° per side) on a contraction.

This of course gets modified for curved ducts, elbows (which greatly benefit from turning vanes), and odd shape transitions.
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