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Old 07-25-2018, 12:11 PM
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I would also recommend sitting in each A/C and see if you (and your spouse) are OK with spending a few hrs in it. I was surprised at how much of a negative feedback I got from my wife on the back seat of the 8. I agree with Carl. The 14 is a jack of all trades, master of none.... that’s what drove my decision to build a 14....
Agreed completely. My wife was really surprised at how much she preferred the -14A's seating position vs. the -8's.

Re: "...master of none..." - Well, that's the nature of almost all engineered products: compromise. Nearly all aircraft have one or more significant design compromises baked in from the start; we have only to select the set that best fulfills our mission. Or, for some, feels right...
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Old 07-25-2018, 07:10 PM
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While you locate someone that has an aircraft to sit in check out this site- now and while you're building, there really isn't anyone out there that can give you more details than this guru himself.
Here is his site- http://www.myrv10.com/
specifically here is the page you want to look at- http://www.myrv14.com/commentary/RV10_or_RV14.html

I love the RV-10- for 4 people (if there aren't 4 now, maybe in a few years there will be) the RV-14 is 2 but either way you can never go wrong with a Vans aircraft.
Best of success in the decision process!
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Old 08-01-2018, 11:47 AM
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I chose the RV-14 over the RV-7, RV-9, and RV-10. I own a Piper Arrow. It cruises at 130 KTAS on 9 GPH. It has four seats and can practically haul (including the pilot) 3 adults or one adult and 3 kids. I use MyFlightBook and log the number of passengers on each flight. I looked back to see how often that back seat was used. My dog can ride in the cargo area of the RV-14 so I didn't count her in this decision.

The answer is that I have only put people in the back seat of the Arrow four times in the 240 hours I have flown it, and all of those missions can be rearranged if they come up again. (Boy Scouts can go up one at a time instead of three at a time; I'm no longer married and don't need to travel with my wife and mother-in-law again; etc.) If I have a growing family in the future, I can buy a share in a six-seater for those flights and still not need the extra seating for most of my flying, which is mostly solo and maxes out at me, a hiking buddy, and my dog.

The RV-14 will get me significantly faster than the Arrow with a better autopilot, burning less fuel per mile and incurring lower maintenance costs. It will also be aerobatic-capable. I'm building a taildragger, so I will also have an easier time staying current and proficient at tailwheel flying and not need to do any catch-up flying before taking a passenger in the Cub, which is rare but much more common than having 2+ passengers in the Arrow.

For my mission, the RV-14 does everything I need and nothing I don't. I am also enjoying the build quite a bit. And that's the real key: Don't build if you don't enjoy building. You'll never finish.
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Old 08-02-2018, 07:53 AM
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I am also enjoying the build quite a bit. And that's the real key: Don't build if you don't enjoy building. You'll never finish.
Very true, indeed.

I realized the other day that, although I usually say that I build in order to own the finished product and not because I particularly like building, the truth is that I'm nearly always involved in a major build project of one sort or another (airplanes, kit cars, motorcycles, etc.). I must really enjoy it, denial notwithstanding!
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Old 08-02-2018, 08:08 AM
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My consideration between the 10 and the 14 as my next project was not seats for humans but for our dog. We have always had biggish Shepherds and a 14 would be great but won't fit both of us, a large dog and any reasonable luggage. Kinda like our cars it would be rare for a human to be in the back seat but it is frequently occupied.
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Old 08-02-2018, 09:57 AM
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My wife loved curling up in the back of the RV-10.

Four seats does not mean always having four people. Keep the boss happy.

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Old 08-02-2018, 12:22 PM
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Ten years and more than 1000 hours in our 10, and I'd guess I only have someone in the back seat once or twice a year. The last time was my wife and I and another couple flew up to South Carolina to see the total eclipse. But, we have traveled extensively to all four corners of the lower 48. Once to Canada and several trips to the Bahamas. All of those trips were just my wife and I. Occasionally while on these trips I'll take friends or family for a ride while visiting and utilize the back seat. What has really spoiled us is the ability to bring along pretty much anything we want on long trips. (like a life raft on over water trips) We've been gone as long as a month on some trips. If we happen to pick up a few bottles of wine from Oregon or California we've always got plenty of room.
I flew aerobatics for several years in a Great Lakes and absolutely loved it. So, I was disappointed that the -10 was not aerobatic, but we knew that lots of cross country was really the mission we wanted.
I was talking to Tim Olson last year and commented that if I was building again, I'd probably build a -14 since we so rarely use the back seats and I'd like to be able to do some "gentlemans" aerobatics every now and then. He pointed out some of the same issues he eloquently talks about HERE
As most have noted, it really depends on your mission. Gotta have aerobatics? Obviously the -14 (or a 7 or an 8) will be your best option. Comfortable, flexible, and efficient cross country your thing? The -10 gets it. I now think I would build another -10 if I was going to build again. (assuming I can only have one airplane)
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Old 08-03-2018, 09:15 AM
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One thing that I didn't think of until I was at Oshkosh this year is baggage compartment access. It was very easy to load my cooler and camping gear into and take it out of my Arrow because of the location of the baggage door (at floor level on the side of the airplane behind the wing). I think that it will be much more precarious to do this with the RV-14, where you have to lift things up into the plane and set them down into the baggage area. The RV-10 has a Cherokee-style baggage door, right? Advantage RV-10.
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Old 08-04-2018, 11:34 AM
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Ten years and more than 1000 hours in our 10, and I'd guess I only have someone in the back seat once or twice a year. The last time was my wife and I and another couple flew up to South Carolina to see the total eclipse. But, we have traveled extensively to all four corners of the lower 48. Once to Canada and several trips to the Bahamas. All of those trips were just my wife and I. Occasionally while on these trips I'll take friends or family for a ride while visiting and utilize the back seat. What has really spoiled us is the ability to bring along pretty much anything we want on long trips. (like a life raft on over water trips) We've been gone as long as a month on some trips. If we happen to pick up a few bottles of wine from Oregon or California we've always got plenty of room.
I flew aerobatics for several years in a Great Lakes and absolutely loved it. So, I was disappointed that the -10 was not aerobatic, but we knew that lots of cross country was really the mission we wanted.
I was talking to Tim Olson last year and commented that if I was building again, I'd probably build a -14 since we so rarely use the back seats and I'd like to be able to do some "gentlemans" aerobatics every now and then. He pointed out some of the same issues he eloquently talks about HERE
As most have noted, it really depends on your mission. Gotta have aerobatics? Obviously the -14 (or a 7 or an 8) will be your best option. Comfortable, flexible, and efficient cross country your thing? The -10 gets it. I now think I would build another -10 if I was going to build again. (assuming I can only have one airplane)
Thank you David!
I really can identify with your story. But I feel a bit of disappointment in your conclusion to build an RV-10 assuming you can only have one airplane.
Probably my heart is with a 14. I'd love to travel around Europe with my RV. But also I'd love to do some really cool cloud surfing. When flying a second person on the Copilot seat is great. The value added by people in the back seats is quite small.
The 10 is cool because of it's payload. And I think it's smoother for IFR.

At the moment it's the 14. A small agile plane for light aerobatics, some IFR XC, two seats and some luggage.
How sensitive is the 14 to high payload? Is it possible to increase the MTOW?

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