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Old 07-18-2018, 01:54 PM
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Pardon my saying so, but these parts just don't look like enough beef to keep wings from falling off...

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I built a 601xl for less than 25k. I just donít think that could be done with the 12
This.

My '91 model HDS with a factory-new 4-cyl Jab, Dynon Skyview and BRS 'chute came in under $40k for all the major components. It's not a Ferrari, but it gets me there at 100 mph and 4 gph. Before the 'chute and comforts it weighed in at 515 lbs empty (today closer to 570), with a 1200 lbs gross for +-6g. Extra baggage in wings, welded aluminum wing tanks (no proseal!), wide cabin: those were some clever design tradeoffs!

For some perplexing reason, too many customers were clamoring to sacrifice half of its payload*range utility to go 20 mph faster, in a more complex airplane with a wing that stalls much more dangerously--hence the "601XL" fiasco.

If I were to start again within the same financial constraints, neither the 650 nor the -12 make much sense after BasicMed. If you can afford the new Rotax and the hangar/taxes/fuel, go for -9A and IO-320 instead. Or stretch a bit and get the stunningly beautiful -14, life is short.
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Pardon my saying so, but these parts just don't look like enough beef to keep wings from falling off...
It's not the beef that does the work, it's the aileron counterweights that solve the aeroelastic problems of the original 601XL wing. Well researched computationally by pros before the mods were introduced.
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