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Old 01-18-2018, 10:58 AM
DrDrift DrDrift is offline
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Default Dual Instruction in an RV

I requested an insurance quote for an RV-3, and I received a response saying that I would need 10 hours of instruction in a two-seat RV before I could get a quote. This brings about a few questions:

1 - How do I find a willing CFI and RV? I'm in the Central Florida area. Is this post the right way to ask around, or is there a better sub-forum?

2 - Is 10 hours a reasonable request? I'm in the process of submitting quotes to other insurance companies based on some past responses here. For other people flying a single-seat RV-3, what process did you have to go through before being insured?

3 - What's a reasonable rate for an hour of instruction in an RV-3? FBOs rent Cessna 172s and Piper Warriors for $100 to $150 per hour - would an RV-4/6/7/8/9/14 be about the same?

4 - Apart from the insurance aspect, how much time is really required to be comfortable enough to fly solo in a -3? I realize this is a silly and pilot-dependent question. I have my tailwheel endorsement and have flown Citabrias and Decathlons.

Last edited by DrDrift : 01-19-2018 at 09:43 AM. Reason: I accidentally wrote "two-seat RV-3" when I meant "two-seat RV". The person responsible for the error has been sacked.
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Old 01-18-2018, 11:09 AM
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A 2-seat RV-3 doesn't exist. However, the RV-4 is as close as it gets to that. You would have to find someone willing to instruct you in their RV-4, which would need to have rear controls, rudder pedals and brakes most likely. Perhaps you should tell your insurance agent that there's no such thing as a 2-seat RV-3 and ask for "a few" acceptable planes for you to get your 10 hours in. Perhaps they will agree to allow you to get training in a plane that's a bit easier to get trained in... Good luck.
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Old 01-18-2018, 11:21 AM
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There have been many whom crossed this path, and I know several personally, that talked with the insurance company about the RV series similarities, and were able to get dual in a 2 seat variant RV, either side-by-side or tandem.Obviously, if the company you are dealing with requires a 2 seat RV3, they aren't familiar with RV's. I'm sure there will be several helpful replies to this. Since you have T/W time already, an A model may even be acceptable. If you haven't flown an RV yet, you will find the agile handling and speed range will be the most significant things to get used to. I had 350 hrs. in my BC-12, then an hour or so with a friend in his -6. I felt comfortable enough to make my maiden flight in my -4 after that. The RV's are very predictable T/W planes with no ugly quirks...just fast!
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Old 01-18-2018, 11:29 AM
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Methinks you need to reconsider your insurance company.

Gallager and SkySmith are both RV knowledgeable.
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Old 01-18-2018, 11:30 AM
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Default Contact Gallagher Insurance...

Jenny at Gallagher is great and they know the RV line intimately...

Jenny Brower
Arthur J. Gallagher Risk Management Services, Inc.
595 Bell Avenue I Chesterfield MO I 63005
Direct: 877-648-8267| Mobile: 636-357-7232 I Fax: 636-532-3646 |
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Old 01-18-2018, 11:45 AM
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My experience, although mine was an -7 so I didn't have the single seat issue.

1- I just searched Google for RV transition training and found an RV-6 in Iowa, I was in Eastern South Dakota at the time so not too far for him to fly.

2- My insurance only required 2 hrs in any RV, I had ~250 hrs TT 180 of which was tailwheel.

3- RVs with the required FAA approvals for training are pretty rare so supply and demand says they'll be more expensive. If I recall correctly, I paid $125/hr travel time and $175/ hr training; at the time the local 172 rented for $85.

4- I did 10 or so T&Gs in my Stinson the day before my transition training, I think this helped me feel comfortable faster in the RV just having my flying skills sharp; so if you have access to the citabria or decathalon I would suggest doing the same. I was mostly comfortable by 2 hrs but just spent the extra hour for extra safety and lets face it, flying the RV was way more fun than my Stinson

Good luck!
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Old 01-18-2018, 12:04 PM
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Another plug for Gallagher but Jenny is no longer devoted to RVs.

Gallagher required 1 hour of transition training in a -6A, -7A or 9A when I was quoted for my -7A.
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Old 01-18-2018, 12:16 PM
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Once you get cleared to do transition training in any RV, you might want to contact Jan Bussell. He flies out of Okeechobee, KOBE.
He has an RV6 & 6A

Here's his website.
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Old 01-18-2018, 12:54 PM
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I only needed 5 in any type RV for coverage in my 9A.
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Old 01-18-2018, 03:22 PM
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Your agent is not very knowledgeable. Gallagher is here:

This is Jenny. She will connect you with an agent familiar with RV's.
Dan Horton
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