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Old 06-25-2019, 08:31 PM
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I am likely overthinking this, but i am trying to put together a ready reference of part numbers from Digikey to aid in ordering electrical components - but it is HARDER THAN I REALIZED!

Take a standard #10 Stud, red, 16-22 AWG terminal.
Here it is from Spruce - PN 36154
https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catal...insulterms.php

and the same thing at Digikey https://www.digikey.com.au/product-d...A1062-ND/20551

However, looking at the datasheet for this connector it shows the diameter of the insulation as being 0.105-0.140, and they are $0.44, BUT -> Googling around, i find that 22 gauge tefzel has a diameter of 0.052".


Doesn't this mean that for 22 AWG there would be no strain relief on this connector? Why not just use automotive connectors instead? Should i use the PIDG ones and use some heatshrink?

Just wondering what everyone uses and if anyone had a ready reference of part numbers for PIDG terminals that they use.

As an aside, searching around a bit more, you can but PIDG terminals that match the insulation diameter - for example, instead of 36154, there is 2-36153-3 (red with green stripe) - they run at $0.99 (double the price) - the datasheet for these lists the insulation diameter for 22AWG as 0.038" - 0.110" - within the range for a 0.052" tefzel insualtion.
Here is the digikey link https://www.digikey.com.au/product-d...7337-ND/298779

Here is a digikey link for all connectors what have a 0.038-0.110" insulation diameter - https://www.digikey.com.au/products/...=1&pageSize=25

Should i be paying twice as much and buying connectors for each specific wire diameter??

Stein and B&C have connector kits but they don't list the specific part numbers for the connectors in their kit.

Thanks - likely overthinking this but want to make sure i do the right thing.
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Old 06-25-2019, 09:38 PM
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I found these from Zoro, they are very high quality nylon double crimp terminals and the low price is great.

https://www.zoro.com/quickcable-crim...specifications




https://photos.app.goo.gl/gAmJFu76zEoxMNFp7

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Old 06-25-2019, 10:04 PM
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Don't use automotive connectors. The problem with TE Connectivity is they have TOO MANY CHOICES! I printed out their catalog pages from their website
https://www.te.com/usa-en/home.html
Then I went through it and highlighted the wire sizes I was going to use, the stud size I was going to use, the part numbers that were available as loose pieces (as opposed to tape mounted) and finally if they were qualified to MS25036. The latter mainly as a filter, but I think another level of traceability if not quality. Finally whether they were available from DigiKey

Here's my list:
Ring Tongue Terminals
Wire size Stud Size P/N
22-16 #6 36149
22-16 #8 320551
22-16 #10 36153
22-16 1/4 320571
22-16 5/16 320572
16-14 #6 51864
16-14 #8 51864-1
16-14 #10 51864-2
16-14 1/4 320563
16-14 5/16 320575
12-10 #6 320567
12-10 #8 320568
12-10 #10 36161
12-10 1/4 320569
12-10 5/16 320576
12-10 3/8 35112

Also needed are the 0.250 series FASTON terminals for 1/4" male tabs
Wire size P/N
22-18 640903-1
16-14 640905-1
14-12 42844-1
12-10 640907-1

Hope this helps.
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Old 06-26-2019, 01:27 AM
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Hi Terry,

You are not wrong about the number of choices! Thanks for sharing your info.

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Here's my list:
Ring Tongue Terminals
Wire size Stud Size P/N
22-16 #6 36149
22-16 #8 320551
Just picking the top two I your list:
36149 & 320551 - according to the data sheets these are both for 0.080" ~ 0.125“ insulation diameter - or in tefzel that’s 16-12AWG. Would we ever have a 16AWG into a #6 stud? (Like on a switch?)

Then in place of 320551 there is 31890 - seemingly the same product until you go to the data sheet, and 31890 insulation diameter is 0.105" ~ 0.140" (even bigger - 12-10 AWG. This is the part number listed on spruce.

I am thinking I should just buy the red with a green stripe terminals as they allow a diameter of 0.038-0.110” which allows for 22-14 tefzel insulation diameters. Or am I wasting my money?

Having used the terminals you have listed, did you feel they crimped onto the insulation ok?

ARGH!
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I found these from Zoro, they are very high quality nylon double crimp terminals and the low price is great.

https://www.zoro.com/quickcable-crim...specifications




https://photos.app.goo.gl/gAmJFu76zEoxMNFp7

This appears to be the manufacturer's website:
http://www.quickcable.com/products.php?pageId=85

The connectors appear to be comparable to PIDG connectors but a lot less expensive. Some of the fully insulated connectors on digikey are going for over a buck a piece and that's just getting out of hand. I use this type of crimp terminal only, even if its going on something like a lawn mower.
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Old 06-26-2019, 08:42 AM
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I ordered a package of these from zero after finding them and also looked up the manufacturers website, I figured they were cheap enough to buy some just to get my hands on them and see if they were any good, I was very happy to see how high quality they were when the test package showed up. I ordered more afterwards and have used them exclusively since. Very good connectors. Like you Bob, I wouldn’t use the cheap vinyl automotive type connectors on anything, I throw them away.

Quickcable is the US seller/distributor, they are manufactured by KS Taiwan, If you look closely at the photo I posted earlier you can see the KS/part number/wire size stamped on each connector.

http://www.ksterminals.com.tw/eng_ba...NO=S01&Tname=1
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Old 06-26-2019, 10:21 AM
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Having used the terminals you have listed, did you feel they crimped onto the insulation ok?
I've used some but not all of the terminals, still have a lot of wiring left to do. I was lucky enough to have retained a genuine AMP terminal tool from a previous project/employer, so I only had to buy new genuine dies for the above terminals. I think this is the key to good wire terminations: quality terminals applied with the manufacturer's recommended tool. The cost of terminal tools or dies has given me pause when ordering them, but I've never regretted buying quality tools (tools that will last for the rest of my life ). The manufacturer's recommended tools/dies do a good job of crimping onto the wire as well as the insulation.
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Old 06-26-2019, 10:24 AM
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This tool from Amazon does a great job crimping terminals and won't break the bank. I own 2. Red/Blue/Yellow.
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Old 06-26-2019, 10:25 AM
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Stein has a good selection of terminals in his terminal kit - I think I would spend more than $85 in time thinking about it and manually ordering! - this worked out well for my -10 - ended up using 2 of them, with not many left over.

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Old 06-26-2019, 02:35 PM
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Stein has a good selection of terminals in his terminal kit - I think I would spend more than $85 in time thinking about it and manually ordering! - this worked out well for my -10 - ended up using 2 of them, with not many left over.

Phil Barnette
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Thanks - Stein is great but the shipping is prohibitive to Australia - $55 USD minimum. I can get everything from Digikey and the shipping is free - just have to have the manufacturers part numbers. Unfortunately stein doesnít list part numbers, nor any data sheets on what terminals they sell.

Thanks for all the replies, and links to alternate products, but Iím not seeing any concerns around the recommended insulator diameters, which is the real issue here for me. I know there are thousands of stein panels in service - but maybe they all wonít make 1000 hours before terminals start falling off because the terminals were not crimped onto the insulation properly?

Maybe Iíll email stein or b&c and ask about what insulation diameters their terminals are designed for? Hoping someone before me may have already come across this and have an answer tho!
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