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Old 08-13-2018, 11:59 AM
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Question: How so you upgrade your instrument panel?
Answer: Start with a new RV10 tail kit!!

Congrats, Brian. Can't wait to see your new panel!
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Old 08-13-2018, 02:48 PM
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Me too Don!

New drill bits and reamers, 3M deburing wheels for the die grinder, 3M PPS Accuspray paint gun kit and cups/spare nozzels, and AKZO ordered....

Man I forgot how expensive all the extra stuff you need to build is!
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Old 08-15-2018, 06:53 PM
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Default RV10

Brian - Wow!! I went the opposite direction when I built a second plane! I'm jealous - The 10 will be a great plane. Say... did I cause all this RV madness???

5 hours on the new engine - so far so good....
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Old 08-15-2018, 07:25 PM
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I would build a 10, but I don't have that many friends! LOL looking forward to seeing your progress!

CJ
Yeah, but think of all the beer you could carry!
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Old 08-15-2018, 08:59 PM
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Brian - Wow!! I went the opposite direction when I built a second plane! I'm jealous - The 10 will be a great plane. Say... did I cause all this RV madness???

5 hours on the new engine - so far so good....
Rick George
Yes you did!
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Old 08-20-2018, 02:02 PM
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Emp/tail cone kit is scheduled to arrive on Thursday.

Garage has been cleaned out and set back up as an airplane building shop!

Airplane building tools have been recovered from the hangar.

A million bucks have been spent on replenishing consumables and a few extra tools.

The build blog has been established and I am getting the hang of keeping it updated. (Link in signature)

Looking forward to getting started!

Here are a few things I want to address while building the tail while it is all wide open:
  • Pitch servo mount
  • Yaw damper servo mount
  • Rear air vent mods (NACA scoops)
  • Servo driven rudder trim tab of some sort? Maybe
  • Antenna provisions
  • Tail light provisions
  • Static ports

Anything else I should consider?
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Lyc. O-360 carbed, HARTZELL BA CS Prop, Dual P-MAGs, Dual Garmin G3X Touch
Track N159SB (KK4LIF)
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Old 08-20-2018, 02:42 PM
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Emp/tail cone kit is scheduled to arrive on Thursday.

Here are a few things I want to address while building the tail while it is all wide open:
  • Pitch servo mount
  • Yaw damper servo mount
  • Rear air vent mods
  • Rudder trim? Maybe

Anything else I should consider?
The pitch and yaw servos are mounted at the front of the tail cone, just behind the baggage bulkhead. I installed those mounts in my RV-10 after attaching the tail cone to the fuselage, but before attaching the cabin top. There are a few rivets that get drilled out and replaced to attach the mounts, but not difficult to do if you have already installed them.

If by rear air vent mods you mean the installation of a NACA scoop in the side skin for ducting air to an overhead console, then it might be easiest to cut the NACA opening in the skin prior to attaching it? I'm not sure if it would be that much easier, as I elected to install an Air Conditioner, so didn't need the extra NACA scoop.

As for the rudder trim, that might depend on the type of trim you intend to install. If you want a servo driven trim tab, then that would probably be easiest to incorporate into the rudder while you are building it. However, you might take a look at the AeroSport Products rudder trim unit that gets connected to the rudder pedals behind the control panel. ( http://aerosportproducts.com/ruddertrim.htm )

The one additional item I wished I had installed before closing up the vertical stab is the VOR/ILS "cat whiskers" antenna that I installed at the top of the VS on my plane. I decided to install it after I had the VS complete, which made it harder to do. There are other types of antennas you can use, but I decided on the "cat whiskers", and wanted mine at the top of the VS rather than under the tail, in order to eliminate another eye hazard under the plane. In fact there is even an argument to be made that you no longer need a VOR/ILS with GPS navigation, but after discussion with a number of CFII and other hard core IFR pilots, I decided that I wanted the ability to do ILS approaches in IFR conditions, and so installed the antenna and purchased a GTN 650 (instead of the cheaper GTN 625).

Hope you enjoy your RV-10 project. I'm sure you will get lots of conflicting opinions/recommendations as you proceed. Just remember that there are multiple ways to build your project, with the right way being the one you choose. After all, that's what makes experimental building so much fun.

Cheers.
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Old 08-21-2018, 06:34 AM
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Emp/tail cone kit is scheduled to arrive on Thursday.

Garage has been cleaned out and set back up as an airplane building shop!

Airplane building tools have been recovered from the hangar.

A million bucks have been spent on replenishing consumables and a few extra tools.

The build blog has been established and I am getting the hang of keeping it updated. (Link in signature)

Looking forward to getting started!

Here are a few things I want to address while building the tail while it is all wide open:
  • Pitch servo mount
  • Yaw damper servo mount
  • Rear air vent mods (NACA scoops)
  • Servo driven rudder trim tab of some sort? Maybe
  • Antenna provisions
  • Tail light provisions

Anything else I should consider?
There really isn't much to do with the tail kit other than follow the plans.

If you haven't found Tim Olson's myrv10.com site yet, you may want to read this page.

https://www.myrv10.com/tips/gotchas.html


Some of these have been fixed in more recent versions of the kit, but it's still a good place to start.

The second place to look is aerosportproducts.com.

Just hand Geoff a blank check and order one of each.

All the items you've listed are pretty easy to do. I've got my nav antenna under the tail. If you want it on top, it's an easy mod to perform while you're working on the fiberglass.

The NACA vents are easy to do. You just have to do them before putting the last skin on top, which is way later in the fuselage assembly.

The servos are easy to put in like Don mentioned.

Personally, I wouldn't put in a servo driven rudder trim. I have the Aerosport Products unit and it works just fine. I started down that path and stopped about half way making all the mods. An access panel and some micro hide the remains of that work.

The tail light gets mounted in the fiberglass tail piece. Pretty straight forward as long as the light uses a tradition mount. I have an AeroLed tail light. No issues installing it what so ever.
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Old 08-28-2018, 08:19 AM
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Default Kit has arrived! Inventory Done! Let the fun begin!

So my emp/tailcone arrived yesterday. So I am 0 and 4 for no crate damage from ABF. I said I would never use them again back in the RV-7 build days but Barb at Van's told me that they are actually fairly low on the damage rates. My experience has been different but oh well...



Had the crate delivered to my work where I have help to get it into the back of my truck and get a lower shipping rate since it is a commercial address.

So I rip into the crate (was not hard since ABF mostly opened it for me) and started looking for damaged parts.





Believe it or not the only damage I could find was this side skin:





I am not sure that damage was caused by ABF or Van's since it was on the side of the crate with no exterior damage.

No big deal though. I was able to use my sheet metal skills to slowly work out that dent and now you can't hardly tell it was ever there. No sense going thru all the pain and agony of dealing with getting a replacement for something that I can fix myself for nothing but a little time. The crate alone to ship a new one would cost Van's a ton not to mention the shipping. I am all about helping Van's keep their cost down which helps builders keep theirs down as well!

Huge testimony for the shipping guys at Vans. It is amazing how well they pack these kits to survive and not get damaged!



So all those wrapped parts are sub kits of parts that explode into a million other parts. Amazing how Van's can nest these things!



Paper paper and more paper! I filled up 3 huge trash bags full of paper!



I modified the crate to store the skins. I need to keep space available so my wife can park her van in the garage. This was the best I could come up with.





Almost every horizontal surface I can find is covered in parts! I am amazed at how many more parts there are with this kit vs the RV-7. I can start to see why it is so much more expensive.
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Old 08-28-2018, 08:19 AM
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I am also amazed at how big everything is compared to the RV-7. I know it is a bigger airplane but geesh this stuff is big!



After the inventory, all I found missing was these 2 elevator trim cable brackets. AMAZING! How the heck does Van's do that?



Step one! Let the fun begin!

More pictures and commentary in my builder blog. Link in my signature. Check it out!
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