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Old 04-12-2018, 12:13 PM
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While I certainly donít mind reading reports on here about competitive options, I donít have any regrets having recently started my RV 12 project. While this aircraft certainly looks nice, I donít see that the potential advantages outweigh the potential disadvantages. This is just my opinion and I respect others who have a different opinion.

As far as being able to get an SLSA sooner than the RV 12is, if thatís your number one criteria then move forward. But if you plan to own the aircraft for a while, you have to be taking some risk there with Vans vs the competition in regards to long term support. Again, the support from other manufacturers may be outstanding and I hope it is. But for me there is no question what kind of support youíll get from Vans. Iíve already had technical questions and needed to order replacement parts that I messed up and the response has been second to none.

Donít get me wrong, I love seeing options and I considered many others when I was doing my research. As someone else said, competition is good. But I am still glad I chose the RV 12 for my project.
The long term support is of upmost importance.
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Old 04-12-2018, 12:40 PM
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While I certainly donít mind reading reports on here about competitive options, I donít have any regrets having recently started my RV 12 project. While this aircraft certainly looks nice, I donít see that the potential advantages outweigh the potential disadvantages. This is just my opinion and I respect others who have a different opinion.

As far as being able to get an SLSA sooner than the RV 12is, if thatís your number one criteria then move forward. But if you plan to own the aircraft for a while, you have to be taking some risk there with Vans vs the competition in regards to long term support. Again, the support from other manufacturers may be outstanding and I hope it is. But for me there is no question what kind of support youíll get from Vans. Iíve already had technical questions and needed to order replacement parts that I messed up and the response has been second to none.

Donít get me wrong, I love seeing options and I considered many others when I was doing my research. As someone else said, competition is good. But I am still glad I chose the RV 12 for my project.
After flying both, I found them to be dead even, as to handling. Being both are metal airplanes, a repair, god forbid, is easy to accomplish with either. The only issue Iíve noted, would be replacement down the road of canopy or windscreen. All other parts are readily available. Avionics are all Garmin, the engine ROTAX.
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Old 04-12-2018, 05:17 PM
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After flying both, I found them to be dead even, as to handling.
What is your comparison on landings?
Does the Sling have stiff legs?
The RV-12 seems very forgiving. Would you say the same for the Sling?
What about brake performance? I believe both are equipped with Matco's, eh?
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Old 04-14-2018, 02:00 PM
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After flying both, I found them to be dead even, as to handling. Being both are metal airplanes, a repair, god forbid, is easy to accomplish with either. The only issue Iíve noted, would be replacement down the road of canopy or windscreen. All other parts are readily available. Avionics are all Garmin, the engine ROTAX.
Firewalls and nose gears/mounts too!
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Old 04-14-2018, 02:45 PM
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What is your comparison on landings?
Does the Sling have stiff legs?
The RV-12 seems very forgiving. Would you say the same for the Sling?
What about brake performance? I believe both are equipped with Matco's, eh?
Unlike Vanís, who only lets you fly it once airborne, I was permitted, actually encouraged, to take the plane off, fly it and land it. I was very fortunate to fly the demo with one of TAFís Directors, who has flown Slings around the world.

Back to landing the Sling, I landed unassisted, very slight crosswind, stable, an absolute joy to fly.

I followed thru on the controls of a -12, on a flight provided by Brent here on the forum, p iOS to my factory visit. So, I have some comparison. I felt the -12 was just as easy control wise in the landing phase.

Seriously, they are both great aircraft, I canít say or find a negative thing about either. Well, maybe, I always hated the -12ís spartan automotive fuse panel interior, but that ended with the iS cockpit. Every change I had in my head, Vanís implemented in the iS.
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Old 05-02-2019, 11:04 AM
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I'm wondering if you received your Sling and if so how you like it. What do you likes best and least as compared to the RV-12?

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I visited both factories late last year. I was looking to purchase the factory SLSA version of the -12iS. Sadly, Vanís didnít have any pricing for the new RV-12 iS SLSA. I was told October, which then became January. To date, I havenít seen anything on pricing for the factory built iS, although kits are available. Bad business decision IMO.

Luckily I scheduled a visit to TAF the same week. The Sling 2 flys just as nicely as the -12. Very stable in both pitch and roll. Like the -12, the Sling meets the top end of all LSA parameters. The biggest difference, it looks and feels way more solid than the -12 and most other SLSAís Iíve demoíd. Both Vanís and TAF got it right. I flew it, I bought one, awaiting delivery. Had I opted for the RV, Iíd still be waiting, most probably sometime the end Ď18 or early Ď19.

From what Iíve seen of their (TAF) kits, there quality is excellent, better When you add the addition of the app to assist parts tracking.

You wonít be sorry with either.
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Old 05-02-2019, 02:16 PM
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Yes! It arrived on the west coast, was reassembled, inspected and received its Special Airworthiness certificate. I flew it back last July. As of today, Iíve got 60+ hours on it, no squarks. Iíd probably have more hours had Mother Nature been cooperative here in the northeast.

Iím extremely pleased with it. I flew cross country running 100LL and have run 91 non ethanol unleaded since.
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Old 05-02-2019, 05:45 PM
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Yes! It arrived on the west coast, was reassembled, inspected and received its Special Airworthiness certificate. I flew it back last July. As of today, I’ve got 60+ hours on it, no squarks. I’d probably have more hours had Mother Nature been cooperative here in the northeast.

I’m extremely pleased with it. I flew cross country running 100LL and have run 91 non ethanol unleaded since.
Did you go with the Rotax 912 iS or ULS motor in your Sling 2 ?

About the only advantage I might give the Sling 2 is that if you fly solo a lot, in moderate turbulence, having 40 gallons of fuel on board vs 20 gallons in the RV-12 will help a bit with not getting bounced around as much, as well as the higher dry weight of 820 lbs... I have been in both, flying... They both felt extremely similar to me, in flight. Due to my weight at 250 #, had to go up with lighter weight female instructor, and not much in the tanks.

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Old 05-02-2019, 09:33 PM
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Yes! It arrived on the west coast, was reassembled, inspected and received its Special Airworthiness certificate. I flew it back last July. As of today, Iíve got 60+ hours on it, no squarks. Iíd probably have more hours had Mother Nature been cooperative here in the northeast.

Iím extremely pleased with it. I flew cross country running 100LL and have run 91 non ethanol unleaded since.
Thank you. Sounds like you are doing well with it.
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Old 05-03-2019, 05:08 PM
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Did you go with the Rotax 912 iS or ULS motor in your Sling 2 ?

About the only advantage I might give the Sling 2 is that if you fly solo a lot, in moderate turbulence, having 40 gallons of fuel on board vs 20 gallons in the RV-12 will help a bit with not getting bounced around as much, as well as the higher dry weight of 820 lbs... I have been in both, flying... They both felt extremely similar to me, in flight. Due to my weight at 250 #, had to go up with lighter weight female instructor, and not much in the tanks.
I went with the 912 ULS. I didn’t want to deal with having the added expense of purchasing a dongel for maintenance and more importantly, deal with possibility of needing a premature OH of the gear box on the iS. Please, no flaming, Rotax is fantastic and they are doing all they can, but the 912 iS, was still having gearbox teething issues when I ordered my plane. It may have been solved by now.

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