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Old 01-07-2019, 06:54 PM
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Hi all-

I've been working with Advanced on my quick panel (they are awesome to work with). I am switching from 12V to dual USB chargers. Also, adding 3-4 spare toggles just in case for things I've not considered or will add in the future.

Any other thoughts? Would love the thoughts of those that have built and what they'd do different, add/delete. The collective IQ and history/knowledge of this crew can find something I should change I am sure :-)

Thanks in advance!

dan




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Old 01-08-2019, 10:15 AM
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Neat, balanced, tidy !

Very good and should work well.
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Old 01-08-2019, 10:22 AM
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Dan,

No one replied to your post so I’ll dive in. Some thoughts:
- Move the EFIS displays up as high as they will go.
- Move the Dynon radio and Autopilot modules to below the IDF-540, move the IDF-540 up as high as it will go.
- You want the Autopilot module closer to your right hand as you will use it more than the Dynon radio remote module.
- You forgot the SkyView Knob module. This box is the most used and practical box you will ever put in a panel. Put it where you have the igntion switch if you need space.
- Not a fan of an “Avionics Master” switch.
- Not a fan of the old school key igntion switch.
- With a stick disconnect button and the Autopilot module, a Autopilot switch is a waste of panel space.
- Not a fan of the big clunky square switches. I like locking toggle switches like these: https://www.alliedelec.com/nkk-switches-s6al/70192232/
- Recommende moving all the cable plug ins off the panel (12Vdc outlet, USB plugs, seat heat, etc.). You don’t want cables running around in front of you and this is valuable panel space.

But - my thoughts. Blend in with other inputs then decide what you want to do.

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Old 01-08-2019, 05:02 PM
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Thanks Guys!

Carl- I'll play around with the COM/AP and moving the EFIS's up a little bit as well as different switch options.

I' am running dual 5600 Advanced systems so I am not sure if the dynon knob is applicable but I'll ask/research.

Thanks!
Dan
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Old 01-08-2019, 06:39 PM
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I like most all of the input Carl had for you but I don't agree with changing the switch type. To me, that is personal preference and I like the big square switches.
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Old 01-08-2019, 06:51 PM
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Dan,Carl

No one replied to your post so I’ll dive in. Some thoughts:
- Move the EFIS displays up as high as they will go.

- Move the Dynon radio and Autopilot modules to below the IDF-540, move the IDF-540 up as high as it will go.

If the IFD-540 is swapped on top of the radio and AP module it will hit the roll bar support.

- You want the Autopilot module closer to your right hand as you will use it more than the Dynon radio remote module.

Correct, move it to the left side or on top of the PFD

- You forgot the SkyView Knob module. This box is the most used and practical box you will ever put in a panel. Put it where you have the igntion switch if you need space.

The AF-5600 already has the 3 built in knobs and joystick so the knob module is not much use.

- Not a fan of an “Avionics Master” switch.
- Not a fan of the old school key igntion switch.

I personally would not own a plane with a push button start and mag toggle switches. People are constantly looking at my plane and flipping panel switches. I like knowing that if the key is in my pocked the mags are grounded and nobody is going to push the start button on accident. We sell a lot of key switches and we have never had one go bad.



- With a stick disconnect button and the Autopilot module, a Autopilot switch is a waste of panel space.
agreed

- Not a fan of the big clunky square switches. I like locking toggle switches like these: https://www.alliedelec.com/nkk-switches-s6al/70192232/
One advantage of our switch modules is they connect to the ACM-ECB with a ribbon cable and require no wiring. We can use any switch, it just has to be hand wired to the ACM-ECB

- Recommende moving all the cable plug ins off the panel (12Vdc outlet, USB plugs, seat heat, etc.). You don’t want cables running around in front of you and this is valuable panel space.

Two of the USB ports are for EFIS data cards and you will be glad they are on the panel.



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Old 01-08-2019, 07:36 PM
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Thanks Rob!

I'll get with Stephan on the swap of AP and Comm but then I think we are good. He's been a great help.

Can't wait to get it up and running!

Dan
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Old 01-08-2019, 08:31 PM
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I agree with everything Rob suggested but especially the comments about moving the displays as high as possible and the AP panel as close to your right hand as you can practically get it.

You'll likely never touch the panel mounted com control head once you use the screen based interface for the radio. I think the last time I touched mine was prior to first flight when I was doing radio checks and I had to set the volume.
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Old 01-08-2019, 09:11 PM
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I would suggest printing your panel layout full size and put it in your aircraft. I printed my layout and sat in the aircraft reaching for toggle switches, looking at the screens, etc. Make sure it "fits" you.
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Old 01-08-2019, 09:19 PM
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A word to the wise: if you're using Van's .dxf to lay out the panel, the .dxf show the panel UNBENT. The actual panel is about 1" shorter on the bottom once the stiffening bend is in place. I used this .dxf to lay out my panel and found that it wouldn't fit on the actual as-shipped aluminum. I had to have a custom panel cut to make everything fit (thanks UpNorth Aviation)
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