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Old 01-07-2019, 09:03 AM
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That said, I know people are claiming the exemption to build stock kits, and MD-RA is going with it. I don't know why, it seems like a fair bit of paperwork just to be allowed to use small letters on your warning placards.
If I'm not mistaken, using the Exemption was the only option with MD-RA before. In fact, the MD-RA told me (last week) that right now, there is only one individual in Canada building against CARs 549.01 + AWM Chapter 549. Everyone else is building it using the Exemption.
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Old 01-07-2019, 09:33 AM
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When I was going through final inspection there was a strong insistence from MD-RA that I go with the exception, even though there was no significant technical driver for this, other than that's what MD-RA was comfortable doing.
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Old 01-07-2019, 12:20 PM
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Jaime sent me an email outlining the filter/ gascolator requirements for iS engines from straight from Rotax.
I think you're not in the right thread - you probably wanted to post that in the "gascolator requirement for Canada" thread.
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If I'm not mistaken, using the Exemption was the only option with MD-RA before. In fact, the MD-RA told me (last week) that right now, there is only one individual in Canada building against CARs 549.01 + AWM Chapter 549. Everyone else is building it using the Exemption.
Phillipe

Until March of 2017, the only option was the exemption. After that MD-RA was allowed by TC to inspect using CARS 549. This was the result of a request I made to Transport Canada.

If there is only one person building under CARS 549 today, then that would be me.

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Old 01-07-2019, 02:25 PM
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If there is only one person building under CARS 549 today, then that would be me.
I believe you are correct.
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Old 01-07-2019, 05:59 PM
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Just did an extensive review of the 2 options :
Option #1 : Going with CARs 549.01 + AWM Chapter 549
Option #2 : Going with the exemption to CARs 549.01 and AWM Chapter 549

What is the same?
-Letter or intent
-Pre-close inspection
-Maintenance requirements (log book and such)
-Max empty mass calculation
-Minimum rated horsepower calculation
-Minimum rate of climb
-Max wing load calculation
-Placards for baggage area
-Most of the minimum equipment list (belts, firewall, carb heat if required, airspeed, altimeter, magnetic compas, tach, oil pressure, engine temp, fuel quantity, manifold pressure if force induction or constant speed)


What is different :
-CARs+AWM has a max gross weight of 1800kg/3968lbs. No such limit for the exemption
-Number of pax seats : CARs+AWM : max 1. exemption : no limits
-Exemption specifically calls out for a gascolator, CARs + AWM don't have anything specific to this
-Exemption requires the installation of a max g-meter if doing acro
-Identification plate isn't the same. Both have Name of builder, model and serial number but CARs + AWM adds 2 things : Date of Manufacture + Nationality & Registration marks
-Placards aren't the same :
--CARs+AWM : 3/8in letters on the fuselage : "Notice : this aircraft is operating with SCofA A-B"
--Exem : Readable by pax in cockpit OR 3/8in letters on fuselage : "You fly in this a/c at your own risk, this A/C does not comply with blablabla"

So, regarding RVs : unless you are building a -10 or getting professional help, you can go either way.
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Old 01-11-2019, 12:07 PM
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Hi

I have speaking to Transport Canada regarding 549 / Exemption to 549 and the fuel system requirements as noted in MD-RA document C52E. I received the following from my contact at Transport Canada:

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I have received a response from Transport Canada Operational Airworthiness (Standards) and they have confirmed that an easily serviceably filter, in addition to a drain in the lowest point of the fuel system, is acceptable for aircraft built to either the exemption or to Standard 549.

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Old 01-11-2019, 03:28 PM
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Got that in writing? I need that!
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Hi

Yes I do.

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Old 01-11-2019, 04:10 PM
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Hey Les, do the sump drains in the wings meet the requirement for lowest point in the fuel system?
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