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Old 12-19-2018, 11:16 AM
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Default Split RV-12 and RV-12iS into two forums?

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That is because as advanced work is being done by Greg towards eventually updating the web site, the RV-12 and RV-12iS have been split out into their own tab on the service information page.
Now builders of the two models don't have to determine whether a particular release applies to their airplane or not. If it apply to both, it will be posted in both, etc.
Would be a wonderful idea for this beautiful forum as well: splitting RV12 ad RV12iS?
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Old 12-26-2018, 07:08 PM
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Would be a wonderful idea for this beautiful forum as well: splitting RV12 ad RV12iS?
I second that
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Old 12-26-2018, 08:07 PM
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Default 3rd it

3rd it and 4th it.
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Old 12-26-2018, 09:15 PM
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Disagree, as 12 builders I think we all want to gain knowledge thru this great source as is,
Besides, donít you care about our sinking floats?
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Old 12-27-2018, 09:45 PM
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Iím with Jim. The designs are similar enough that I think both groups of builders can learn valuable lessons from each other.
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Old 12-27-2018, 10:34 PM
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Iím with Jim. The designs are similar enough that I think both groups of builders can learn valuable lessons from each other.
I agree! If itís not broken, donít fix it! Keep it as one forum for both planes. Other than the engine and related systems, the two have much in common.
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Old 12-28-2018, 08:12 AM
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Default Split the RV-12 forum?

I split this topic off into its own thread for discussion/consideration, it was off topic where it was but an important issue for the community here.

When I read the suggestion I thought "hmm, that might be a good idea". I have a fair bit of experience with putting forums together and would like to point out that there is a fine line between segmenting the forum to address a particular area of interest, and getting so narrow that it loses what I call "critical mass". If one gets too specialized then traffic wanes and the forum starts to die. If it is too general then it loses focus and no one can find anything.

After considering this I think we are better keeping the RV-12 and RV-12iS in the same forum, here's why:
  1. The aircraft are MUCH more similar than different. A good habit for users is to always specify which aircraft they are referring two with questions or answers and that should eliminate any confusion between the two variants.
  2. This forum seems to be about the right size, traffic is decent without being overwhelming to follow it all. I think splitting it would hurt traffic to the point where interest would wane.

So, for the above reasons my recommendation would be to keep them the same but I do suggest that Doug rename the forum "RV-12 & RV-12iS" for clarity.

Doug? [ed. As of 16:52Z 12/29/18 I did just that. v/r,dr]
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Old 12-28-2018, 02:08 PM
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I read your explanation, Randy, and do agree.
However some posts make me sit straight up when reading the title - only to find out the post is about some 12iS-issue. (other way around it won't matter I guess: iS' builders use about anything a 12 has. Not every 12iS component or design idea is incorporated in every 12).
Isn't it possible for the members of this fine forum to add the point of view in the title? In that case it, among others, becomes quickly clear how much 12iS issues there really are, versus genuine 12's.
Just thinking ahead.
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Old 12-28-2018, 03:59 PM
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I also agree with the sentiment of not splitting into two forums.
As already mentioned, the two airplanes are still very similar.
Splitting them would in some ways be the same as splitting RV-7 into IO-360, O-360 and O-320 sub forums. Not all that helpful.

The suggestion of tagging posts with the model (12 vs 12iS) seems like a good idea at first but I think it would only be helpful occasionally.
The reason for that is that unless a person is rather familiar with what all of the specific differences between the two are, they could likely miss information that might be relevant to them.
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Old 12-28-2018, 06:32 PM
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There are already over 80,000 posts in the RV-12 forum, more than any other RV. A search for info on a subject yields a lot of threads to wade through. Most of those regard issues that have been changed or updated in the iS airplane: the fuel tank, the sinking floats, the wiring harness, the back window, the MLG attachment, cabin heat, the voltage regulator, electrical capacity, fuel flow, fuel pressure, etc, etc. and about 35 Service Bulletins and more than 40 notifications. Many of the posts are re-plowing old ground.

Most of those will be of little help or interest to the iS builder.

Now the iS will introduce new issues unrelated to the earlier airplanes in areas of engine, maintenance, avionics, cowling, etc.

The 12 and 12iS look alike but inside are big differences in what Vanís furnishes in the kits compared to the kits of 10 years ago. That is not so true of say an RV-7, where kits are exclusive of engine and avionics choices, and I donít think the situation is comparable to other RVs where different engine and avionics choices can be made by the builder.

Areas of commonality would be wing and tail cone construction but I donít see that many posts regarding those. The fuselage, cockpit, avionics, engine are really quite different and thatís where the new posts are going to focus.

Yes the 12 and 12iS are similar, but for the reasons above I think the iS deserves a fresh start and so I would vote for a separate category in the forums.
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