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Old 12-16-2018, 08:13 PM
RIPnLIP RIPnLIP is offline
 
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Default RV-9? What am I thinking?

Howdy yíall. Hoping to get some sound feedback and advice from the good folks here on VAF about this crazy idea I have about building an airplane. Like many that have come before me, I am embarking on this journey having many personal reservations about my ability to even complete such a project, and am further consumed by anxiety and fear that even if I should finish it, that my final product might tarnish the reputation of the manufacturer, and disgrace all the artists who have painstakingly crafted so many of what I consider to be the most beautiful aircraft ever built.

In speaking with other experts in the field (none of whom have actually built an aircraft on their own) the common advice I receive is that I should just buy a plane that is already built, as it will save me time, money, and possibly my marriage. Though likely to be good advice, it is the process and the challenge of building the plane, and the expectation that I will be so intimately familiar with every thread of its fiber that when it is completed it will be part of me, that really has me so excited to take on such an endeavor.

But my primary motivation for building the plane is to share it with others...

Okay, thatís all a bunch of ****. I really want a plane so I can fly up to Arkansas and Colorado to go fishing. Thereís no trout in Texas. I need one thatís fast, sips fuel, and can land off pavement, preferably as close to a fish as possible. And I have to look good doing it. It canít be big enough to take everyone that wants to go, but big enough to take a kid, or a wife, or a dog, or someone who will buy ALL the beer when we get there. But most importantly, itís got to have room for a Yeti cooler that I can fill with fish!

After months of careful consideration, and houndreds of hours spent here researching, I have finally decided to build the RV-9. I have exactly 1.9 hours of tailwheel time about 17 years ago, so it seems the only logical choice. After all, why not build a plane that I donít know how to fly when I donít know how to build a plane in the first place? Makes sense to me!

My questions are very simple and probably will have no answers of opposing opinions:

1. Should I get my head examined befor ordering the kit?
2. Iím planning on ordering the IO-320 with a Catto 3-blade prop. 2nd choice would be the Sensenich GA prop. I really would prefer to keep it simple and light. Am I limiting myself significantly for flying into high density altitude airports/grass strips by avoiding a CS prop? Of the two I listed, would one have any significant benefit to the other? I cannot afford to leave any fish behind!
3. I donít really intend on landing anywhere too rough, but love flying on grass strips. I was originally going to build a 9A, but have been horrified by all the stories Iíve been hearing and reading about with respect to coming to rest inverted. Has this problem been rectified? Any viable engineering solutions? Iíve finally come to terms with learning to fly a taildragger however, but any input would be appreciated as I would still consider the 9A.
4. Eventually, I want to teach my kids how to fly my plane. Anyone else have any experience teaching kids in the 9? I can barely get these kids interested in driving a car, so I certainly donít want to overwhelm them in a taildragger when maybe they could get the spark in a 152.
5. Are there any RV groups in the DFW area? Would be nice to meet some nice folks who have similar interests. I could also use the technical and motivational support and my wife would probably like recommendations for a local mental heath provider!

Let the good times roll.
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Old 12-16-2018, 08:31 PM
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Let the good times roll.
Rich, welcome aboard the good ship VAF
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Old 12-16-2018, 08:35 PM
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I think you are on the right track for sure! I was planning to build a simple RV9 with a Catto 3 blade prop when I found a RV 7 project near me so I was lured away from my original path but I think I would have been very happy with the 9, 320, and Catto prop! The slower stall speed of the 9 is very attractive for grass fields and back country flying! The only drawbacks are, slightly lower resale value, and takes up a little more hanger room with the longer wingspan.
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Old 12-16-2018, 08:36 PM
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Offical Welcome should be posted shortly. Till then, welcome.
That's a lot to ponder. Sounds like you've got a good grip on mission. 9 or 7 fit pretty well for long trips and off field as long as you aren't planning river bottom landings.
So, start with spouse and family. Get buy in. It's a life changing journey. Happy wife...
Next, skills. As you mentioned, reach out to locals. Find a mentor. Build a practice kit. If you enjoy it, consider the airplane similar. Lots of bites of a similar elephant.
No advise on the tailwheel thing. I'm building one of the dreaded "A" models. Happy wife said, build anything you want as long as the wheel is in front. Who am I to argue?
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Old 12-16-2018, 10:21 PM
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I happen to a Keller resident and have been a member of the RV community for a few years and it sounds like you are on the right track. Make the machine that most closely fits your mission. I have restored two factory built aircraft and completed two RV projects.

Contact me offline and maybe I can give you the benefits (and a few downsides) of the joys of building and flying amateur-built aircraft.

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Old 12-16-2018, 10:42 PM
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Well, you seem to be on the right track with (1) Vans, (2) tailwheel, (3) RV-9? It does fit your mission, but don't you want to go upside down from time to time (maybe not). But (4) you didn't discuss, at length, you primer choice, or (5) if you're going to build a tipper or (ahem, mmm... one of those) sliders.

All joking aside (if you don't get the jokes now, you will...) ... RV-9 is a great plane and does seem to fit your mission well. And you won't find a better group of folks than those here on VAF. Absolutely essential to a successful build.

It will take time and treasure to build your bird (my wife has been FANTASTICALLY SUPPORTIVE, thanks dear!), but it's sure great to see the bird come together. Just a few weeks ago, I had some friends over for dinner and they wanted to see the "factory". Lots of quiz question. "What's this do? what's this wire? How does that work" ... etc. Super easy to answer every question; I built the whole darn thing! You learn a lot in the process, and it all makes you a better aviator.

It's a long way of saying: (1) you're surely not crazy, and (2) welcome to a great community!

(BTW, I like trout fishing, too, especially fly fishing. I have a brother in law who lives in Billings, MT, and we always find some great (secret) drainages near Yellowstone/Beartooths, to fish. Can't wait to "pop up" to MT from CA for a great weekend!)
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Old 12-17-2018, 12:34 AM
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The RV9 tail dragger is just right for your mission. As I've mentioned elsewhere in these forums, we installed Matco 6' wheels & brakes on ours, and it does a fantastic job landing on short back-country airstrips.

It's one of the easiest taildraggers I've ever flown. I taught my son to fly it, after he had about 100 hours in a Cherokee. Now he flies the RV9 everywhere, including short, unimproved strips.

My advice: Go for it!

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Old 12-17-2018, 04:28 AM
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Welcome to the best first step! You are on the right track by joining VAF! The 9 seems to fit your mission. Great plane BTW. I choose the 7 but just for the up side down thing... I Like the slower stall speed of the 9. I like the sarcasm BTW...

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1. Should I get my head examined before ordering the kit?
Sure, you could... But my mom took me to see the doc when I was about 5 and I was diagnosed with the "airplane bug" The good news are it wont kill you and no medication required besides the need to fly... The bad news. It is not treatable, so you and your wife will have to deal with it.
Building wont change that but if you can get the support of the wife. Get her involved in the process so she "understands" The kids too.

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2. I’m planning on ordering the IO-320 with a Catto 3-blade prop. 2nd choice would be the Sensenich GA prop. I really would prefer to keep it simple and light. Am I limiting myself significantly for flying into high density altitude airports/grass strips by avoiding a CS prop? Of the two I listed, would one have any significant benefit to the other? I cannot afford to leave any fish behind!
3.
This is a very good setup for the 9. CS vs. FP is a never ending debate. Choose one for whatever reason makes you happy... at cruise I think there is little difference and most say catto is smoother at that.

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3. I don’t really intend on landing anywhere too rough, but love flying on grass strips. I was originally going to build a 9A, but have been horrified by all the stories I’ve been hearing and reading about with respect to coming to rest inverted. Has this problem been rectified? Any viable engineering solutions? I’ve finally come to terms with learning to fly a taildragger however, but any input would be appreciated as I would still consider the 9A.
The 9A can handle grass as well. Ask Vlad. Where the little wheel has to go is also very personal and endless opinions here... But the 9 sure looks better than the 9A. No arguments there.

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4. Eventually, I want to teach my kids how to fly my plane. Anyone else have any experience teaching kids in the 9? I can barely get these kids interested in driving a car, so I certainly don’t want to overwhelm them in a taildragger when maybe they could get the spark in a 152.
I wish my father did this when I was a kid! Are you a CFI?

Most of the "bigger" decisions you don't have to do until much later in the build. Tailwheel / Nose Wheel, CS/FP, Tipup/slider, Engine...

So my personal advice: GO FOR IT!
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Old 12-17-2018, 08:27 AM
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Can't go wrong with a 0320 RV9. Lot a airplane for the $ and build effort. Mine is FP 160 HP and is easy into and out of a grass field of 1800Ft, even one way in and one way out in my case. If money was not a problem for me a RV14 would be in the shop now. But the RV9 is a great performer
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Old 12-17-2018, 09:01 AM
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The RV9 tail dragger is just right for your mission. As I've mentioned elsewhere in these forums, we installed Matco 6' wheels & brakes on ours, and it does a fantastic job landing on short back-country airstrips.

It's one of the easiest taildraggers I've ever flown. I taught my son to fly it, after he had about 100 hours in a Cherokee. Now he flies the RV9 everywhere, including short, unimproved strips.

My advice: Go for it!

Kurt Goodfellow
RV9 / WAM 120 diesel, 620 hours.
Kurt and I both have -9's and we both take them off airport from time to time. I agree with putting larger wheels and tires, which requires different gear legs. No big deal, just order them up front.

Don't worry about the lack of TW time, it will come, when you are ready. Expect to pay more for insurance until you get 100 hours in type (the first year), then it will equalize with the A model.

Catto is a great prop, stick with that decision.

The -9 taildragger is sort of the unicorn of the RV fleet and turns out to be the best handling one of the bunch.

You had better like the journey as building is a long one. There is nothing difficult, just a LOT of nothing difficult.

Feel free to contact me, if you have any questions.
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