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Old 07-08-2019, 05:23 PM
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Default Screws vs quarter turn fasteners around the firewall

Hey -

I am making good progress on my 10, and am looking ahead to working on the cowling. I am not a big fan of Van's hinges around the firewall, and on my 7A I used quarter turn fasteners all the way around the firewall. However on my 10, I am considering just using screws and nut plates. Why????

1) Price... I think the firewall kit fastener kit is around $500.... screws and nut plates would likely be $25 or less.

2) Putting the cowling on and off is a bit of a pain. The quarter turn fasteners hang down from the cowling and can scratch the paint if you aren't really careful getting everything aligned before setting the cowling down into position.

3) Long term maintenance... I have had to replace a couple of the quarter turn fasteners (which were replaced under warranty) when they failed to lock into place. Additionally, I have a couple of them that don't want to stay in the cowling when unlocked.

4) Speed... while the quarter turn fasteners are going to be faster... using a screw gun I can't imagine the time difference being all that much.

Is there some reason I am not thinking of why I shouldn't go ahead with screws and nut plates?

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Old 07-08-2019, 05:50 PM
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I used the 1/4 turn fasteners. I would use screws if I built again for all the reasons you mentioned.
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Old 07-08-2019, 05:52 PM
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I did the whole cowl with skybolts, and never looked back...
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Old 07-08-2019, 05:58 PM
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Some people complain about the longevity of the standard hinges.
Keep in mind that the threads on screws are like saw teeth to fiberglass.
With vibration, plain screws can make a mess of a cowl over time.
If you do decide to go with screws you should use ones that have some smooth shank (like AN509 or AN525).
Using a flush screw with a tinnerman washer can be beneficial because of the increased baring area provided by the countersink.
The main down side in my opinion, even if you do these things to mitigate the screws causing wear in the hole, is that with the custom paint jobs done now a days, it is common for the paint or clear coat to migrate out from under the screws over time.
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Old 07-08-2019, 06:07 PM
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I used -8 screws on my 8, and after 3 years they look like the day I put them in. I've won a few bets; I can remove or install the upper or lower cowls in less than 2 minutes each.

I also removed the hinge pins on my 9A, and replaced with -8 screws. I use the Bosch gyroscopic screwdriver from Home Depot. 'Wont leave home without it'

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Old 07-08-2019, 06:15 PM
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I used screws across the top and bottom of the cowl on my -6. I reinforced both flanges on the cowl with extra layers of fiberglass. That system has been faultless for ~18 years.

I went with quarter turns on the -10 and wish I hadn't. They are expensive, harder to install, and there are probably other issues I don't know of right now.
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Old 07-08-2019, 06:48 PM
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I remember some Mooneys that had screws holding the cowling on. That was before screw guns.
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Old 07-08-2019, 06:52 PM
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I used the 1/4 turn fasteners. I would use screws if I built again for all the reasons you mentioned.
I agree. I would just go with screws and nutplates if I were doing my rocket cowling over. Camlocs are nice, don't get me wrong but its not that much more work to use a cordless drill.
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Old 07-08-2019, 07:18 PM
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Hinge pins here for the last 15 years, work like a dream, super easy to remove/install cowls. I used screws on the bottom of the cowl and on the front only. Would do the same again if I was to build another.
Oh yea forgot the most important part... they look good!
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Old 07-08-2019, 07:25 PM
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My Cessna has screws. There has to be a pretty good reason to take that cowling off.

My Dad's RV has skybolts. I will pop that thing off for hardly any reason at all.

I would do the quarter turns, if for no other reason it takes away one more excuse to have a looksee under the hood. In the grand scheme of things it's probably not much more time, but psychologically those screws are a pain in the behind.

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