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Cth6 05-28-2017 05:43 PM

RV-12 Flight Characteristics
 
Still narrowing down my decision on which RV.

Are there any other LSAs that have similar flight tendencies? Before I decide on the 12 vs the 9 I will try to get a ride in each. Making the financial commitment to build on a discovery flight it a bit of a gamble. I only have 1.4hrs in a Tecnam Eagle and the rest of my time is in 152s and 172s. Ideally I would like to see if one of the local flight schools has that LSA, so I can get a few hours of flying in our summer weather. Also would like to take my wife up to see how she handles the ride during the thermals.

I have seen posts about the heat in the cockpit, but any FL flyers want to comment on how hot it gets in the summer? Nothing like throwing the windows open on a 172 before you hit the taxi way to cool down after landing.

Thx in advance.

Phantom30 05-28-2017 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cth6 (Post 1176190)
Still narrowing down my decision on which RV.

Are there any other LSAs that have similar flight tendencies? Before I decide on the 12 vs the 9 I will try to get a ride in each. Making the financial commitment to build on a discovery flight it a bit of a gamble. I only have 1.4hrs in a Tecnam Eagle and the rest of my time is in 152s and 172s. Ideally I would like to see if one of the local flight schools has that LSA, so I can get a few hours of flying in our summer weather. Also would like to take my wife up to see how she handles the ride during the thermals.

I have seen posts about the heat in the cockpit, but any FL flyers want to comment on how hot it gets in the summer? Nothing like throwing the windows open on a 172 before you hit the taxi way to cool down after landing.

Thx in advance.

In the -12, with the koler shade and new canopy bracket (let's you crack the canopy open while taxiing)...not really a problem. As to 9 vs -12; the 9 is faster, but costs more to operate. Got to decide on "mission"....mostly local -12, a lot of x-country the 9. Just my 2 cents.

Dave12 05-29-2017 06:18 AM

The 12 is easier to enter and exit. I also find it is more comfortable. I still like the 9's and they are very fuel efficient, although they do require avgas. Don't tell Vlad I said this. I am pretty wide at the shoulders and the 9 is considerably tighter with a passenger. The 12 is no problem. .02

bruceflys 05-29-2017 06:36 AM

You Will Love A -12
 
My wife does. After eight years of flying her own very nice C172, she moved to a RV-12 and would never go back. Its controls are light, handling is nimble, visibility is excellent and operating costs are low. The -12's size makes it easy to hangar and to push around by hand.

With the canopy cracked open, the prop breeze makes taxiing in the Florida summer sun acceptable. However touch and goes and low altitude maneuvering such as turns around a point do lead to heat build up. The answer, an Arctic Air cooler that provides relief for at least 90 minutes.

Unless you need four seats, acquire a -12!

Piper J3 05-29-2017 07:15 AM

Not quite the comparison you’re looking for… I owned a real nice J-3 Cub for 23 years. Flew it 1100 hours. I agonized about selling it when I bought my 12 eighteen months ago. Everyone clamors for a Cub - thought I’d miss it. One flight in the 12 and I never looked back. The 12 is a beautiful airplane anyway you want to measure it.

I used to fly the Cub with the door open. The 12 gets plenty of ventilation in flight and excellent on the ground with the canopy ajar. You’ll want a retractable sun shade. Visibility in the 12 is eye-popping, I think even better than the Cub.

You’ll love the way the airplane flies. Control harmony is perfect. I still have the RV grin with almost 200 hours accumulated in just 18 months and I don’t fly in the winter.

Cruise is on par with C-172 or Cherokee and the 12 will easily out-climb either. If you want X-country flying then get the two-axis autopilot and sit back and go…

mike newall 05-29-2017 10:15 AM

Same old question.......

Why do you want to build an airplane ?

Answer A: Because I want to fly that airplane Wrong ;)

Answer B: Because I want to build an airplane Right ;)

If you want the airplane, go buy one. There are many 12's and 9's around.

If you want to build an airplane, the 12 is far easier, can be built solo with minimal extra help, goes together super quick, flies like a dream, gives you the RV grin and is ultra economical.

Drop me an email and I will let you have more info. I have built a 7, an 8 and we are half way through 2 12's. Sadly, you can't buy it as I am in Perfidious Albion (the old country :D)

Cth6 05-29-2017 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Phantom30 (Post 1176241)
In the -12, with the koler shade and new canopy bracket (let's you crack the canopy open while taxiing)...not really a problem. As to 9 vs -12; the 9 is faster, but costs more to operate. Got to decide on "mission"....mostly local -12, a lot of x-country the 9. Just my 2 cents.

Mainly breakfast runs within 150nm and a few cross countries to see the kids in college or a long weekend in the keys. Yes, who wouldn't want more speed but I am generally happy with my 172 cruise of 118.

Cth6 05-29-2017 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave12 (Post 1176296)
The 12 is easier to enter and exit. I also find it is more comfortable. I still like the 9's and they are very fuel efficient, although they do require avgas. Don't tell Vlad I said this. I am pretty wide at the shoulders and the 9 is considerably tighter with a passenger. The 12 is no problem. .02

I sat in a 6 and a 14. Both were plenty wide for me and my wife. No one was around the 12 at SNF to get a feel of the cockpit.

Cth6 05-29-2017 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bruceflys (Post 1176298)
My wife does. After eight years of flying her own very nice C172, she moved to a RV-12 and would never go back. Its controls are light, handling is nimble, visibility is excellent and operating costs are low. The -12's size makes it easy to hangar and to push around by hand.

With the canopy cracked open, the prop breeze makes taxiing in the Florida summer sun acceptable. However touch and goes and low altitude maneuvering such as turns around a point do lead to heat build up. The answer, an Arctic Air cooler that provides relief for at least 90 minutes.

Unless you need four seats, acquire a -12!

Thanks Bruce. Still trying to get my wife to take some lessons, even if just for the pinch hitter training. She has held the yoke a few times but just tightens up when I let go. It will just take more time I guess.

Thanks for the feedback on the airflow in the cabin. Almost all of my time has been in high wing with the built in sun shade. Last low wing was a t-34b and mainly in the winter months.

First time seeing an arctic air was at SNF this year. Guess I really just did not pay much attention to them before but sounds like that would be great for cooling the cockpit down a bit.

it is nice to have four seats every once in awhile, but I will probably continue to rent for that mission.

How does the 12 handle our summers in Florida? Pretty much dawn and dusk flying?

Cth6 05-29-2017 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Piper J3 (Post 1176311)
Not quite the comparison you’re looking for… I owned a real nice J-3 Cub for 23 years. Flew it 1100 hours. I agonized about selling it when I bought my 12 eighteen months ago. Everyone clamors for a Cub - thought I’d miss it. One flight in the 12 and I never looked back. The 12 is a beautiful airplane anyway you want to measure it.

I used to fly the Cub with the door open. The 12 gets plenty of ventilation in flight and excellent on the ground with the canopy ajar. You’ll want a retractable sun shade. Visibility in the 12 is eye-popping, I think even better than the Cub.

You’ll love the way the airplane flies. Control harmony is perfect. I still have the RV grin with almost 200 hours accumulated in just 18 months and I don’t fly in the winter.

Cruise is on par with C-172 or Cherokee and the 12 will easily out-climb either. If you want X-country flying then get the two-axis autopilot and sit back and go…

Never have been able to fly in a cub. Was offered a ride a few weeks ago, but had an instructor arriving shortly for my BFR. We had some strong winds that day and the cub was almost at pattern alt by the end of the runway. 2 axis AP is definitely on the list of must haves.


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