Note: Pilots are reminded that the use of the phrase, ?ANY TRAFFIC IN THE
AREA, PLEASE ADVISE? is not a recognized self-announce position and/or
intention phrase and should not be used under any condition. Any traffic that
is present at the time of your self-announcement that is capable of radio
communications should reply without being prompted to do so.
I like this part in addition to the statement in the prior posts:
10.3.1 Self-announce transmissions may include aircraft type to aid in identification and detection, but should not use paint schemes or color descriptions to replace the use of the aircraft call sign. For example, ?MIDWEST TRAFFIC, TWIN COMMANDER FIVE ONE ROMEO FOXTROT TEN MILES NORTHEAST? or ?MIDWEST TRAFFIC, FIVE ONE ROMEO FOXTROT TWIN COMMANDER TEN MILES NORTHEAST,? not ?MIDWEST TRAFFIC, BLUE AND WHITE TWIN COMMANDER TEN MILES NORTHEAST.?
Using aircraft colors instead of call signs is something that I increasingly hear in some northeastern states including PA, MD, NJ and NY.
This one actually combines two issues in one. Too bad this AC missed the boat on eliminating the word "experimental" from non-tower radio use completely.I hear this regularly in the SE as well. ?Red experimental 5 miles east...?
I'd go further and say that the use of "experimental" in radio calls is useless and deprecated at this point. There's enough variety in homebuilts today that saying actual type is going to be a lot more informative to all involved, and less of a mouthful too.This one actually combines two issues in one. Too bad this AC missed the boat on eliminating the word "experimental" from non-tower radio use completely.
In an uncontrolled, visual environment where one technically doesn't even need to use the radio in the first place, I would think that a visual description is going to be a whole lot more informative to everyone else than yet another string of random letters and numbers.I will respectfully disagree with the FAA on this one though. As long as the call sign is used on initial call up, the FCC regs are complied with. Furthermore, "Red RV" is a much more useful (and succinct) call sign than "Experimental one two three four Alpha."
I'd go further and say that the use of "experimental" in radio calls is useless and deprecated at this point. There's enough variety in homebuilts today that saying actual type is going to be a lot more informative to all involved, and less of a mouthful too.
One could argue that, at least with popular homebuilt types, saying type instead of the word "experimental" still informs ATC of the "experimental nature" of the aircraft.
In an uncontrolled, visual environment where one technically doesn't even need to use the radio in the first place, I would think that a visual description is going to be a whole lot more informative to everyone else than yet another string of random letters and numbers.
This one actually combines two issues in one. Too bad this AC missed the boat on eliminating the word "experimental" from non-tower radio use completely.
I will respectfully disagree with the FAA on this one though. As long as the call sign is used on initial call up, the FCC regs are complied with. Furthermore, "Red RV" is a much more useful (and succinct) call sign than "Experimental one two three four Alpha."
I agree.
And I will likely continue to use colors and type (with my call sign).
With proper radio technique, even adding a couple of extra words I can finish a radio call in about a 3rd the time that a large portion of the pilot community tends to.
It should be in your Operating Limitations, which make your airworthiness valid, so the must be followed.
It should be in your Operating Limitations, which make your airworthiness valid, so the must be followed.
The only relevant statement in my Operating Limitations is item 7. It reads:
"When filing a flight plan, the experimental nature of this aircraft must be listed in the remarks section."
There is actually nothing in my Operating Limitations about radio use. I know it used to be included as Scott eluded. My certificate was issued in October. Are my Operating Limitations unique? Does this mean the FAA is subtly changing their opinion on this as it pertains to towered controlled airports?
It is clear the FAA and FCC want us to identify type and N-number of aircraft. If I choose to drive 45 when the speed limit is posted 40, then all can I say when the officer pulls me over is "guilty". I know the law, even if choose not to follow it. The use of the word "Experimental" when making a radio call is much less clear to me.
What would be better is to simply say, "Anytown traffic, Piper turning base, runway 14, Anytown." Or, "...blue and white piper turning base."
To tell the honest truth, it probably doesn't matter. I use the color & type with my radio calls too but it doesn't take much distance before we lose the ability to distinguish colors so my "red RV" probably just looks black to most others in the area if they can see me at all.
Back to the OP topic- the AC revision. 14CFR part 91.319(d)3 requires the use of experimental in the radio call, so they can’t change the AC without changing the rule, a much more difficult thing to do.
Back to the OP topic- the AC revision. 14CFR part 91.319(d)3 requires the use of experimental in the radio call, so they can?t change the AC without changing the rule, a much more difficult thing to do.
91.319(d)(3) requires the use of "experimental" "when operating into or out of airports with an operating control towers".
The AC addresses "non-towered airports".
Mel, for clarification:
The newer Op Lims don't have verbage requiring "experimental" radio calls. But does 91.319(d)(3) require "experimental" radio calls to towered airports even though that statement has been removed from newer Op Lims?
And forgive me, 'Anti-authority attitude' is a pet peeve, I tried to relay my sarcasm with the roll eyes, but the limitations and lamentations of this here interwebs makes it hard to do so (Google 'Anti-authority attitude' and you will be hard pressed to find any reference to this 'thing' outside of the FAA).
Sorry, but I read no "anti-authority" attitude anywhere above. I have read where people believe that in the name of improved safety, radio calls might be made different than specified in an advisory circular. Anti-authority would be violating the "rules" solely for the sake of contradicting or disrespecting the authority.
Issue at non-towered Airport that gets me going are those doing an instrument approach into a non-towered Airport. Their radio call is typically based on waypoint or position on an approach plate. Means nothing to me flying VFR with out approach charts.
Yeah, but it makes them sound like big-shot pilots, not like the poor untrained slobs that are piddling around VFR.......sorta like those premier pilots who are calling out all those "key" positions instead of common pattern positions.
"Y'all git outa my way, here I come!"
Does an approach (practice or not) take precedent over anyone else in the pattern or do they need to fit in like everyone else?
LISTEN UP Pilots, build a mental picture of what is happinging in the pattern and fit yourself into that picture. And always verify out the window.......
An approach does NOT take precedence over other traffic. Remember that a radio is not required. Therefore NORDO traffic may not hear "approach traffic".
LISTEN UP? Of course, but also "HEAD ON A SWIVEL w/MK II Eyeballs"!
LISTEN UP? Of course, but also "HEAD ON A SWIVEL w/MK II Eyeballs"!
Issue at non-towered Airport that gets me going are those doing an instrument approach into a non-towered Airport. Their radio call is typically based on waypoint or position on an approach plate. Means nothing to me flying VFR with out approach charts. Paragraph 9.5 of AC 90-66c states they need to make clear their position and not interfere for those in the pattern. If doing instrument approach please use non-towered VFR type position radio calls.
I regularly get instrument approaches coming in directly at me when I am taking off. Since they have no intention of landing they do not seem to mind approaching runway 180 degrees from wind direction for landing and pattern in use.